Morally much worse men than you.

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I remember being scolded once by someone on these forums for saying I didn’t usually find models very attractive, despite knowing I was supposed to, compared with some “ordinary” women I saw in my daily life. They firmly corrected me, claiming attractiveness is universal. (Or maybe the word was objective, like white supremacists now say white women are objectively more attractive than others, and that this is established science.)

There are trends, for sure. But as with most things, there are also outliers, exceptions, etc. Most people agree that Angelina Jolie is hot, but plenty of people don't.

Some people might think that Angelia Jolie has too-thick lips.

I'm not one of them----but the possibility exists.

I don't think about her much, actually. She's pretty okay.

Yeah and she's too old as well!

I was just going to say that.

Are there stupid men? Yes.

Are there stupid women? Yes?

It's 2018. Men and women can make bad decisions equally. Additionally, I've noticed that women who have suffered abuse as girls are more likely to go with jerk-ish men. They're not "stupid," just damaged.

Good and bad morals are subjective, which is why I rarely concern myself with them. I however am very altruistic and am a devout quaker and very rarely drink alcohol, so for many I may have good morals. On the flipside, I gamble, smoke, occasionally smoke weed and tend to have characteristic influence over others (I am very convincing sometimes).

Morally worse men than me in my view are cheaters, alcoholics, thieves, capitalists and rapists.

Feeling sexual lust over his looks is one thing. I hate this tendency to lump plain old sexual lust and genuine romantic attraction together as one. I mean, just because a man finds a woman extremely sexually attractive doesn't mean he would want to marry her. Especially not if she had a history of murdering men after she slept with them. Women have sexual feelings they can't control just like men do. They just don't talk about it because society doesn't encourage it the same way society encourages men to talk about their sexual lust. Moralizing over mere sexual feelings is stupid. If a woman confuses feelings of sexual lust for "bad boys" with true love then she has "loose screws" as you said.

Most of the time women want someone who is both sexually attractive and good. The problem is almost all guys looking for a relationship say they are "good" and at least pretend to be "good" on dates. Sadly, this is why men who really are good, but not necessarily on the top tier where it comes to attractiveness are looked over. There's absolutely no way to tell if a guy is actually good just because he says he is. Woman will therefore choose based on the traits that are immediately discernible, like confidence and attractiveness.

I think only girls with very low self-esteem would accept to go out with a disrespectful guy (usually having an unreasonably high ego).

Usually this type of guy would pretend to be nice and force the girl to engage quickly before showing his disrespectful nature.

Last edited by LaetiBlabla on 25 Mar 2018, 5:51 am, edited 2 times in total.

good morals = morals like mine
bad morals = morals contradicting mine

Can’t be any other way, since “good” or “bad” implies you’re judging them … morally … according to your morals.

Then why we see bully men married with the same
women for years all the time?

Flash news: girls can be bad too and can be disrespectful and may like men like themselves - so it’s not always a victim scenario like you makenit sound.

And some girls who are “nice” and yet they like such men - not necessarly a victim scenario as well.

Most, yes, but there are quite a lot of women who feel that as long as a guy is good to them, it doesn't matter if he's a s**t to everyone else.

I've had conversations like this, when someones only just started seeing someone.
ME 'but he doesn't give his ex anything towards their kids' THEM 'he pays for stuff for mine and they're not even his' ME 'he hit his last girlfriend' THEM 'he wouldn't dare do that to me'
I kid you not.

I do feel sorry for women when a guy fakes being nice, but I don't see that very often, not for more than a few dates.

Like I said, definitely not most women, but quite a few.

I didn't understand this either until I was in a job for seven years with people who started out really nice and then picked away at me subtly and then punished me for not getting their hints that I ought to be more like them. After all, I should have wanted to be more like them, obviously, because they were so superior (I was so stupid I didn't even realise they were superior ) My point is that things get bad gradually and you think you are paranoid (sometimes I feel that way when people don't hate me so...) You doubt your own judgement. So glad we were made redundant. Once I was working somewhere else I couldn't believe I had put up with their s**t. I wouldn't have put up with it if they had been like that on day one either.

It must be worse in a marriage.

Because a girl with very low self-esteem, living with a bully men, will see her self-esteem going even lower, because of the bullying... until the day she realizes she is actually not that peace of s**t the men is claiming through his insults.

And why you are always assuming that the girl in this case has a low self-esteem issue? Who teaches you this nonsense?

I am talking about men who are bully with everyone except with their women - we are not talking about domestic violence here.

It’s perfectly possible to be selectively nice: you’re nice to the few who’ve earned your respect, and screw the rest