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01 Jan 2019, 10:03 pm

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One was mentioned by name earlier in the thread, he's the one I noticed and reported and who apparently got banned. But we're not supposed to talk about specific banned members once that happens.
Banned? More like vaporized by the Ministry of Truth for engaging in crimethink. That's doubleplusungood. It's very scary how WP is becoming like "1984".

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It’s like a post 9/11 reaction to Muslims. And the few anti single men memebers here are glad to hop on the train to get such men removed.
Review wp past and you’re find few attempts to get single men banned from wp.
So wp would only be for women and men in relationships. Mind you plenty of men in relationships are misogynistic and absuvie, so seems like a failure of a plan.
So when I see talk about cleansing wp of the negativity of single lonely men it scares me. Surely boob remembers the last attempt.
They used women’s section to try to rally Alex and mods to make such changes. End result was most of them got banned I think.
I'm way ahead of you. I pretty much stopped using this site, except for specifically AS-related discussions. It's been heading down the toilet since 2010. Between the god-awful new design, Captcha, Cloudflare, server crashes, and increased awareness of Asperger among the general public, WrongPlanet has become WorthlessPlanet. It's a shadow of its former self, a far cry from its glory days in mid 2000's. This ban will be its final nail in the coffin. I will be playing my violin while this proverbial Rome burns to the ground.


The guy openly admitted to joining here just to troll us and "drop blackpills" on us, how is him getting banned for that getting "vaporized for crimethink" or however you put it? What's with all the emotional hyperbole on this topic?

Trolling is very explicitly against the rules of this forum. If you admit that you joined just to troll, you're going to get banned by the moderators for breaking the rules. If you don't want to get banned, don't act like a child and flagrantly break the rules. It's quite simple to avoid.


No ones against that it’s the broadness of this ban policy

Aspie1 has posted red pill and men’s rights stuff so he’d be banned under this in the future. He’s not a troll and he’s been here a long time.
All it takes is claiming something is red pill, incelnazis etc.
I’m sure the incelnazis complain about women rejecting guys for not having their life together so am I to be banned?

The patriot act had good intentions but it’s used to spy on and arrest people who aren’t terrorist and most everyone is against it now.

Oh if the rules were enforced a lot of members her would been banned.
Rules are ignored or enforced depending on your beliefs.
Quite a few prominent users here violated the rules with attacking groups and weren’t banned.

In fact id say incels is a group and incelnazis are minority of it so saying all incels are violent etc is attacking a group. Which is against the rules. Which is yet another important issue here that if we label groups as acceptable to attacks based on whatever that’s not good.
Do you think all incels not incelnazis but just involuntarily celibates are violent?
I’m technically a incel but definition which to my understanding hasn’t been changed. I’m not violent at all. I dont even kill bugs.

Id probably give my life to protect some woman or man in danger.


As XFG said already, Alex is the one who specifically said he doesn't want incel/redpill content posted here, so take it up with him and not with me if you have a problem with that. He made that rule, not me. I can't change it, so why are you saying these things to me? Say them to Alex.



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01 Jan 2019, 11:13 pm

karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
As XFG said already, Alex is the one who specifically said he doesn't want incel/redpill content posted here, so take it up with him and not with me if you have a problem with that. He made that rule, not me. I can't change it, so why are you saying these things to me? Say them to Alex.
Taking it up with Alex won't do any good. This is his site, and if he wants to turn it into a feminist utopia or specifically exclude single men, that's his decision and there's nothing we can do about it. The one thing we can do is vote with our feet. Which means start canceling accounts en masse and leaving WP, considering how lots of members will get banned anyway. Public awareness of Asperger/ASD is now pretty widespread. You can discuss it on any social or emotional support site without much stigma, and people will know what it is and how to help.

By banning a school of thought that gives aspies concrete advice (something even the best therapist won't do), Alex is going to alienate much of the member base, who no longer have a strong need for WP to being with. It's only a matter of time before WP goes the way of Altavista.



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02 Jan 2019, 2:34 am

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As XFG said already, Alex is the one who specifically said he doesn't want incel/redpill content posted here, so take it up with him and not with me if you have a problem with that. He made that rule, not me. I can't change it, so why are you saying these things to me? Say them to Alex.
Taking it up with Alex won't do any good. This is his site, and if he wants to turn it into a feminist utopia or specifically exclude single men, that's his decision and there's nothing we can do about it. The one thing we can do is vote with our feet. Which means start canceling accounts en masse and leaving WP, considering how lots of members will get banned anyway. Public awareness of Asperger/ASD is now pretty widespread. You can discuss it on any social or emotional support site without much stigma, and people will know what it is and how to help.

By banning a school of thought that gives aspies concrete advice (something even the best therapist won't do), Alex is going to alienate much of the member base, who no longer have a strong need for WP to being with. It's only a matter of time before WP goes the way of Altavista.


Well if you REALLY need to post incel ideology and you are convinced Alex is trying to "ban all single men", you know where the door is, so to speak.



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02 Jan 2019, 3:58 am

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Btw, interestingly:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incel

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The first online community to use the term "incel" was started in 1993 when a Canadian college student known only by her first name, Alana, created a website in order to discuss her sexual inactivity with others.[9][16][17][18] The website, titled "Alana's Involuntary Celibacy Project",[9] was used by people of all genders to share their thoughts and experiences. In 1997, she started a mailing list on the topic that used the abbreviation INVCEL, which was later shortened to "incel", where it was defined as "anybody of any gender who was lonely, had never had sex or who hadn't had a relationship in a long time".[19] During her college career and after, she realized she was queer, and became more comfortable with her identity. She later gave the site to a stranger.[17] When speaking about the website in 2018, Alana said, "It definitely wasn't a bunch of guys blaming women for their problems. That's a pretty sad version of this phenomenon that's happening today. Things have changed in the last 20 years."[19]


That Alana created a new site: https://sites.google.com/view/lovenotanger as a response to that takeover, it sounds good.


When are feminist or Muslims going change there name?
Also are you going stop calling yourself a aspie? I won’t i dont know if the guy was a Nazi or not. It’s sll political correctness defined by a certain side who says so,e groups are exempt. No thanks.

Could you imagine if the mods banned feminist and anyone sharing feminist ideas because there’s feminist extremists out there?


Not all Muslims call themselves Islamists because the latter term has negative connotations, you get it now?


All Islamic extremists call themselves Muslims though.
And thus gives Muslim a negative connotations.

In Washington you can’t say brown bag when referring to paper bags anymore cause thy decided it has a negative connotation. Do you really want to let the them decide what words and terms are ok or not?
You can be pc if you want but I won’t be.polictical correctness is the enemy of freedom of speech.

So the Propper use is incel extremists. Same as feminist extremist and Muslims extremist


When I hear Muslims crying about discrimination they're facing in the West, I always tell them that Muslim communities as a whole are partly blamed for not speaking up much against islamic terrorists, their governments are definitely to be blamed not to monitor what bs narrative is being spoken by clerics in mosques.

The least you can do, is not to adopt the Incel label, with the capital I especially, and those Incels do call themselves Incels.



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02 Jan 2019, 4:14 am

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Why is this even in the Love and Dating forum when it has absolutely nothing to do with love or dating?

But it does have a lot to do with loathe and hating. :evil:

Yeah, incels going on about how evil all women are and love seeing girls and women being abused or even killed are such poor, lonely guys and we should all feel sorry for them. (Sarcasm) (Duh!)

I just love how fragile the male ego is, and if a woman stands up for herself at all she's an evil feminazi. Next thing you'll know women will be reading, getting ideas, and thinking... they might even believe they should be allowed to vote! :lol:


No if they’re a feminazi they a feminazi
Hurloam for example and my sister and mom stand up for themselves without feminism


And you can stand up for yourself without calling yourself an Incel



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02 Jan 2019, 4:28 am

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Why is this even in the Love and Dating forum when it has absolutely nothing to do with love or dating?



The trolls were targeting the L&D section.



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02 Jan 2019, 4:55 am

I think some of the people on the incel forum (even if it’s only a very small minority) might have been decent people before they started going on there. I don’t know what they were like before they joined, but from what I’ve seen, they really do act like a cult. I feel like it would be easy for a vulnerable, lonely man to join a forum like that one and be brainwashed into having the types of views the others have, especially if they finally feel accepted and like someone “finally understands them.”

They encourage each other to commit suicide, and a hoax thread was made last week about a mod from there killing himself. Even though they like him, they were laughing and making jokes about it while people still believed he had died.

They’re not going to start banning single men from Wrong Planet. Most single men don’t have the hateful views that incels have (I’ve never heard of anyone else calling themselves that, and if they do, they probably don’t realise what those people are like). Sometimes it would be easy to spot the types of members who aren’t wanted here, especially if they are duplicate accounts. There’s a difference between a normal member and a troll/other unwanted member, so the normal members will be safe.


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02 Jan 2019, 5:22 am

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As XFG said already, Alex is the one who specifically said he doesn't want incel/redpill content posted here, so take it up with him and not with me if you have a problem with that. He made that rule, not me. I can't change it, so why are you saying these things to me? Say them to Alex.
Taking it up with Alex won't do any good. This is his site, and if he wants to turn it into a feminist utopia or specifically exclude single men, that's his decision and there's nothing we can do about it. The one thing we can do is vote with our feet. Which means start canceling accounts en masse and leaving WP, considering how lots of members will get banned anyway. Public awareness of Asperger/ASD is now pretty widespread. You can discuss it on any social or emotional support site without much stigma, and people will know what it is and how to help.

By banning a school of thought that gives aspies concrete advice (something even the best therapist won't do), Alex is going to alienate much of the member base, who no longer have a strong need for WP to being with. It's only a matter of time before WP goes the way of Altavista.




You guys are misunderstanding the whole thread. It was posted as a warning to Incels who have a specific agenda. It's not a new rule; it's about trolling. It's not directed at long standing members such as yourself. No one is banning. A "school of thought", just trying to protect all members from the poison of incel ideology / trolls.


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02 Jan 2019, 8:05 am

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You guys are misunderstanding the whole thread. It was posted as a warning to Incels who have a specific agenda. It's not a new rule; it's about trolling. It's not directed at long standing members such as yourself. No one is banning. A "school of thought", just trying to protect all members from the poison of incel ideology / trolls.

It was said that Alex wants to ban everything having to do with "incel" (small I). The problem is that not all movements are "incel". Red Pill, MGTOW, and MRA mock Incels (capital I) like you wouldn't believe, and would actually agree with Alex's viewpoint of suppressing Incels. Each of these movements has a different focus and a different goal, even if their complaints about women overlap. I follow them, and they helped me not only get more respect from women, but appreciate women's friendships more. What a concept! Not very poisonous, now is it?

And speaking of trolling, the tone of the warning came off as very hostile, intentionally or not. It basically said: "If you're a man who has trouble meeting women, and dare to talk about it, you will be banned." Owners and management of WP are throwing out the baby with the bathwater here.

I do wonder why an Incel propaganda group would want anything to do with WP. I mean, aren't we aspies supposed to be the pariah? What's the appeal? Something doesn't add up.



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02 Jan 2019, 8:23 am

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Maybe that's why Incel Trollery and unemployment seem to go hand-in-hand.


:roll:

Why do you propose that being autistic and unemployed go hand-in-hand? And why are there so many autistic men that are involuntary "celibate"? Any connection?

Maybe you've better face the fact that most things don't occur in isolation. Like, if many autistic men have trouble finding a partner, even after following your "advice", this could lead to hostility towards women. And since the Incel community is filled with men that have trouble with relationships, it's not that far-fetched that at least some of them are autistic / ND.



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02 Jan 2019, 9:07 am

Incels with a Capital “I” are the ones who should be banned.



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Maybe that's why Incel Trollery and unemployment seem to go hand-in-hand.
Why do you propose that being autistic and unemployed go hand-in-hand?
I do not. I propose that Incel Trollery and unemployment go hand-in-hand.
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And why are there so many autistic men that are involuntary "celibate"? Any connection?
Of course. Classic symptoms of autism include: 1. An air of distance and disconnection (even with close family members); 2. Inability to empathize; 3. Little or no response to human interaction; and many others that are non-conducive to forming relationships.
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Maybe you've better face the fact that most things don't occur in isolation. Like, if many autistic men have trouble finding a partner, even after following your "advice", this could lead to hostility towards women.
Strawman argument. Irrelevant.
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And since the Incel community is filled with men that have trouble with relationships, it's not that far-fetched that at least some of them are autistic.
Are you implying that autistic pose a threat to women? Because if you have ever browsed an Incel website (as I have), you would see a lot of violent imagery against women among the members there.



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02 Jan 2019, 9:21 am

I don’t like that MGTOW, MRA, Pill stuff myself....but they have a right to their views....as long as they don’t troll.

Some of them are not even incel, never mind Incel.

The ones the Mods were focused in were Incels (not incels or MRAs, or Red Pill, etc.).



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02 Jan 2019, 9:37 am

Related to the members of a specific toxic website which we receieved word about that some of them might try and spam/troll this one. But it seems only one troll appeared here, fell into the net and was shown the door. There's no agenda against lonely guys who could fall in the various categories.


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02 Jan 2019, 9:41 am

I wonder how closely Lonely Guy Syndrome™ is related to Nice Guy Syndrome™ ... ?

Seriously, it's one thing to be lonely, and it's quite another to be openly hostile about it.



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02 Jan 2019, 9:46 am

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You seem to give the benefit of the doubt to obvious sexist men when it's not warranted. Just about every single post that new user made since he got here contained sexist generalizations about women, about how much "easier" our lives are than mens and how single men's unhappiness is our fault because we're too picky/shallow/stupid/evil/etc, which is redpill BS. He had only made about 30 comments so far, they were all on the subject of dating and gender, and almost all expressed redpill talking points. There was a lot of reason to be suspicious. It should perhaps worry you if you empathize with hatefulness like that so easily.

Alex himself has said he doesn't want that stuff here. If you have a problem with that, take it up with him.

It's neither the rhetoric, nor the hatefulness that I empathised with. What I saw was someone who was probably socially isolated and misguided. People aren't born monsters, and your guess is as good as mine as to what happens in these people's lives to mold them into the hateful people they become. Ultimately my preferential approach is to show people the truth rather than immediately getting the banhammer out. Obviously in this case the guy was a troll, so my approach was no good, but I come from a place of knowing just how badly an inability to attract a partner ever can have on you psychologically, and I do wonder whether I had less intelligence and self-awareness but still jad the same problem, whether I'd end up like one of these nutcases. I guess if you don't know the pain they're going through and all you see is sexist generalisations about you, you're not going to have much empathy, but I know to at least some extent what they're going through and can see how it could f**k you up mentally enough to result in you holding these flawed sexist views, especially if you're largely isolated from other people in real life.