Didn’t come as a surprise that he was a virgin!

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07 Jul 2022, 5:46 pm

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Does that mean the legal system thinks they should just not diclose being autistic or a virgin, and that will be fine even though it could be considered sneaky?

Yes. If a female (or male) that you deeply trust and is the sweetest person on earth asks "are you a virgin or autistic" while you're both naked in the bed and about to get it on.

It's all perfectly legal and in some western nations, such individuals are encouraged to lie.

Oh okay. Well one time a woman didn't tell me she was virgin until after we already had sex, and I didn't feel I was raped by deception, but that is just me.

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07 Jul 2022, 5:47 pm

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YOU DON'T HAVE TO TELL PEOPLE YOU'RE AUTISTIC. YOU DON'T HAVE TO TELL PEOPLE YOU'RE A VIRGIN.

END OF STORY.

I didn't tell my first sexual partner that I was diagnosed with autism when I was 3 years old. I didn't tell her that I was a virgin.

f**k me kraftiekortie, I see you were early to the game.

Fair play.

How did you make that comment sound so bad lol.

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07 Jul 2022, 5:53 pm

ironpony wrote:

Nades wrote:

ironpony wrote:

Does that mean the legal system thinks they should just not diclose being autistic or a virgin, and that will be fine even though it could be considered sneaky?

Oh okay. Well one time a woman didn't tell me she was virgin until after we already had sex, and I didn't feel I was raped by deception, but that is just me.

What a Chad she was (or whatever the female equivalent is)

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07 Jul 2022, 5:56 pm

Not disclosing one's virginity to their first sexual partner isn't "rape by deception" or illegal in any sense, but personally, I think the partner deserves to be given that information.

It's generally expected that adults engaging in sex have previous experience. There are differences between the experience of having sex with a virgin vs the experience of having sex with a non-virgin. Just because somebody is interested in the latter experience doesn't mean that they would also be interested in the former. I think they deserve to know what they're in for.

I wouldn't be comfortable not disclosing my virginity to my first partner and trying to pass myself off as a sexually experienced person, because I'm 99% sure that my inexperience will be evident when we get down to business, and I'd be afraid of the potential humiliation I'd suffer if I didn't disclose my inexperience, got called out by the person I'm with, and scolded for not having the decency to give them the appropriate information to make an informed decision on whether or not they want to have sex with me.

I would feel much more comfortable with an understanding partner who accepts that I'm inexperienced, doesn't expect a stellar performance for my first time, and who is willing to be patient.

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07 Jul 2022, 6:07 pm

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You raise a good point. If you're a virgin then you'll be like a deer in the headlights the first time, there is no getting around it, but if you manage to find someone who just thinks it's nerves with a new partner then it makes them a soft target for a virgin.

It should also be noted too, if a non virgin has only had sex with a single partner their entire life then they could also be just out of their depth as a virgin.

Variety and not so much quantity is important.

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07 Jul 2022, 6:09 pm

well there was one time I slept with a virgin and she didn't tell me until later because she said she wasn't embarrassed about it. However was she in the wrong not to tell me?

Personally I didn't think it was a big deal that you withhelded, but was she in the wrong not to disclose it?

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07 Jul 2022, 6:15 pm

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It wasn't a big deal and she might have felt happier not telling you which she was entitled legally to do.

Even if someone had sex with a virgin solely because that virgin told them they were highly experienced in bed and had sex with 1000 people before (a massive lie), that virgin is still well within their right legally to tell that massive lie to get their rocks off with someone who fell for that lie.

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07 Jul 2022, 6:19 pm

When you phrase it like that, are you trying to drive a specific point home?

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07 Jul 2022, 6:24 pm

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When you phrase it like that, are you trying to drive a specific point home?

Yes. That anyone can tell whatever lies they like to get into the pants of someone else. If you're a virgin, I highly recommend bullshitting yourself into someone's pants and it's got the full seal of approval by the authorities, judiciary and government.

(So long as it doesn't approach the levels of Gayle Newland)

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07 Jul 2022, 6:26 pm

Are you saying you don't really approve of it though?

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07 Jul 2022, 6:28 pm

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Are you saying you don't really approve of it though?

No I fully approve of it, it's just that a virgin will have trouble pulling it off. So much trouble that it might be unwise to wing it unless that virgin is very confident....which usually isn't the case.

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07 Jul 2022, 6:31 pm

I've known many "experienced" people who were really not all that proficient in sexual matters; and I've known relatively inexperienced people who were quite proficient.

Just because one is "technically" good in bed-----doesn't make that person a good lover. Being a "good lover" involves much more than "technical" skill in lovemaking.

I'd rather be with someone who might have had only an "elementary" education in this sorts of matters----but who loves me and respects me-----than somebody with a "PhD" in these sorts of matters who doesn't have much regard for me.

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07 Jul 2022, 7:26 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:

What kind of nonsense is this?

How can “not disclosing one’s virginity” be “rape by deception”?

I challenge anyone to provide justification for this supposition; otherwise, I would believe someone making that association is some sort of troll.

Nades wrote:

Autisitcs who are afraid of lying about being autistic for fear of being charged with rape by deception are called "Not sneaky enough" by the legal system.

Response to both of you:

No trolling intended. There are no virgin alpha males over 18, if not 15, plain and simple. The "deception" comes from a beta male misrepresenting himself as an alpha male. It's comparable, although not identical, to learning the Red Pill. After all, alpha males are lustfully desired; beta males are found repulsive. Also, women want natural-born alphas, not betas who read certain websites. No woman these days knowingly has sex with a beta male unless it's absolutely necessary.

So, an older virgin lying about his virginity is also lying about his genetic status. Again, there are no virgin alpha males over high school age. So lying that you're not a virgin is basically a 2022 version of that sex scene in the bounce house in the 1984 movie "Revenge of the Nerds". (That's where a nerd posed as a popular guy for a girl he liked, and she didn't catch on to it.)

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07 Jul 2022, 8:08 pm

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There are no virgin alpha males over 18, if not 15, plain and simple. The "deception" comes from a beta male misrepresenting himself as an alpha male. It's comparable, although not identical, to learning the Red Pill. After all, alpha males are lustfully desired; beta males are found repulsive. Also, women want natural-born alphas, not betas who read certain websites. No woman these days knowingly has sex with a beta male unless it's absolutely necessary.

So, an older virgin lying about his virginity is also lying about his genetic status. Again, there are no virgin alpha males over high school age. So lying that you're not a virgin is basically a 2022 version of that sex scene in the bounce house in the 1984 movie "Revenge of the Nerds". (That's where a nerd posed as a popular guy for a girl he liked, and she didn't catch on to it.)

Being an NB ND pinko didn't seem to slow me down and rejecting red pill ideas was only beneficial in my experience. Either the Greek letters don't mean much in reality or alphas come in forms that people who preach the red pill and Greek letters would refuse to recognize.

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07 Jul 2022, 8:40 pm

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ironpony wrote:

Are you saying you don't really approve of it though?

That's true, the woman who didn't tell me she was a virgin, I was very certain she was one still. But if a guy doesn't say anything about and operates under a don't ask don't tell philosophy about it, will it still seem more attractive to women if he doesn't say if he is, if not asked, because even just saying, it suggests a lack of confidence in one's self?

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07 Jul 2022, 8:53 pm

I'm pretty "beta."

Not many women have found me "repulsive."

I lost my virginity before I was 18.

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