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03 Jun 2009, 9:25 am

Okay, this is going to be a total stream-of-consciousness rant, as the situtation in question has me unable to form coherent thoughts. I have been in a serious relationship (my only one ever) for almost 6 years now. Four years ago, she cheated on me... a lot... with a lot of different people. This went on for another two years. It was a cycle of finding out, forgiving her, then her starting up again, me finding out, etc... It was even so bad the last time that I didn't know if the baby she was carrying was mine until it was born. It was hell. Since then, my emotional state could best be describe as completely numb.
Now, however, there is this girl who works at the gas station up the road. I don't know anything about her and our interactions haven't gone beyond simple flirting for maybe a minute at a time. But I just can't stop thinking about her. I keep making (obvious) excuses to go to the gas station, buying little things I don't need, just to talk to her for a minute. I feel completely awakened inside when I am there and when I am not I am completely useless in any capacity because my thoughts are a total mess.
I am very very confused by all of this. I want it to stop. I have gone from Spock to crazy-shirtless-Sulu, swashbuckling in the hallways of the Enterprise. This is a completely new experience for me and the emotions I am feeling are alien and I want them to go away. Please, somebody help...



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03 Jun 2009, 9:40 am

Well, I dont get the Spock/Sulu reference, but I can imagine the image of George Takei running half naked through hallways brandishing a pirate sword and can gather that it is pretty serious situation you are in.

My first question is, do you have a child with the girl you've been with for 6 years? As in, was it yours?

I think it's an AS trait of mine that I dont have the ability to sensor what I'm thinking in the few cases I open up to people so I've kinda just learned to roll with it. And I've kinda adopted Nash's game theory here and feel its best to just let the other person know everything.
I think it's easy to say cheat, she did it to you, she doesnt have to know. But no need to stoop to her level. Heck, it could even be rewarding in itself to be honest with her and tell her you're interested in someone else, sorta rub her nose in your taking of the moral high ground and not just cheating.

I would still first probe more with that gas station clerk you talked about. Dont go burning the girlfriend bridge to find out that other inviting bridge is not in service =P (though from what you've said I think the bridge is completely open for the crossing)

I say why not, your girlfriend sounds like she's not all that wonderful, and if you're like me, you probably feel stuck to the situation out of fear of not having something else. Afraid more of losing what you're used to than of losing someone you love.


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03 Jun 2009, 10:01 am

That's just it... I'm not even sure what I'm feeling. I'm never good with emotions, especially my own.
I do have kids with her, three. The oldest isn't biologically mine, but I have been "daddy" to her since she was barely able to talk, and in my mind there is no difference between her (my oldest child) and my two biological children.
I know the natural order of this is quid pro quo and people say I should cheat after what was done to me... but I absolutely despise the very idea of it. And there is the other girl's feelings to consider. And that right there is what has me so confused... I am considering her feelings. And that is just ridiculous to me because I know nothing about her. I am physically attracted to her, but that is easy to shrug off, I do it all the time. It's the other thoughts... the curiousity about her, what interests her, what she does all day when she's not standing in a little air-conditioned booth... It feels like an Aspie-obsession, but with a person. And like I said, it is ridiculous. I go through the logic of it, telling myself I don't know her enough to be in such a state of mind, but my only response is "get to know her".
I am so confused... I went to the gas station 4 times in the span of 2 hours yesterday.

As for the Star Trek reference, it concerns the episode "The Naked Time" in which the crew is infected by a disease that makes them all act drunk and crazy, with Sulu running shirtless through the ship trying to fight people with a sword.



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03 Jun 2009, 10:20 am

wowza, 3 kids. That puts a huge kink in things.

If you've stopped in there 4 times in 2 hours, she knows something. Even I would pick up on that. You have to say something to her.


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03 Jun 2009, 10:27 am

Say something to who? The girl or my g/f?



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03 Jun 2009, 11:06 am

The girl at the gas station. 4 times in 2 hours is real obvious.


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03 Jun 2009, 11:13 am

willa wrote:
The girl at the gas station. 4 times in 2 hours is real obvious.

I had a reason each time... The first time I was buying cigarettes, the second time I pretended my lighter quit, the third time I said I wanted a blunt wrap (got a cigarillo instead) and the fourth time I said I needed another cigarillo... I'm sure you're right, though. She can't be as socially daft as I am and must know something is up. Although she may be just as confused as I am since I kind of ignored her earlier flirtations.
What would I say to her though? "Um, I know we don't know each other at all, but I am obsessed with getting to know you, so much so that it is interfering with my daily routine and affecting my work. Oh, and I'm practically married, by the way, hope that's not an issue..." :/



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03 Jun 2009, 11:18 am

Wow -- so much to talk about here.

Willa -- shame on you for not knowing the Sulu reference -- consider your Aspie card revoked ;)

Drowbot --

I gotta ask, why did you stay with this woman after all of the cheating, let alone have children with her? I also wouldn't have recommended dating a single mom as a young guy. Surely there was someone better out there for you. This person never treated you with respect, so it's no wonder you are ambivalent about her. But now you have kids, and no matter what happens, you have financial and moral responsibility for them.

What you're experiencing with this new girl is limerence. Contrary to what willa says, I wouldn't go confessing anything to your wife. Really, you know nothing about gas station girl, but are just obsessing on her, much like how we Aspies obsess about most things in our lives. Does she know anything about your life and responsibilities? Your kids? Do you know anything about her real life? Also, she works at a gas station, so it doesn't seem like she's on a really great career path so far. You might want to aim higher.

I say this having obsessed in similar ways on women, especially when things were bad with my own relationship or life. It's an escape fantasy, but it's not realstic. Keep things normal, and wait for this to wear off. Yeah, the grass may look greener, but your lawn seems to have always been yellow, and you need to deal with your own lawn first.

Don't do anything you will regret, and know that crushes and obsessions like this are normal, but should be controlled and gotten past.



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03 Jun 2009, 11:32 am

billsmithglendale wrote:
Wow -- so much to talk about here.

Willa -- shame on you for not knowing the Sulu reference -- consider your Aspie card revoked ;)

Drowbot --

I gotta ask, why did you stay with this woman after all of the cheating, let alone have children with her? I also wouldn't have recommended dating a single mom as a young guy. Surely there was someone better out there for you. This person never treated you with respect, so it's no wonder you are ambivalent about her. But now you have kids, and no matter what happens, you have financial and moral responsibility for them.

What you're experiencing with this new girl is limerence. Contrary to what willa says, I wouldn't go confessing anything to your wife. Really, you know nothing about gas station girl, but are just obsessing on her, much like how we Aspies obsess about most things in our lives. Does she know anything about your life and responsibilities? Your kids? Do you know anything about her real life? Also, she works at a gas station, so it doesn't seem like she's on a really great career path so far. You might want to aim higher.

I say this having obsessed in similar ways on women, especially when things were bad with my own relationship or life. It's an escape fantasy, but it's not realstic. Keep things normal, and wait for this to wear off. Yeah, the grass may look greener, but your lawn seems to have always been yellow, and you need to deal with your own lawn first.

Don't do anything you will regret, and know that crushes and obsessions like this are normal, but should be controlled and gotten past.


Why did I stay? Well, I love her, in spite of everything... Beyond that... I don't know why. A lot of it was her manipulating me into staying and me just being gullible and believing her every time she said she had changed... And there are the kids... We had just had a baby when the cheating started, so the kids came before.

As far as the other girl, your right, I don't know anything about her except that her name is Jessica (which I only know from looking at cashier's name on the receipt), she likes the smell of AXE, she may smoke weed, she's good at picking out a cigarillo to use as a wrap, she's a Libra and her birthday is October 15th. As far as her career path, she only seems to work nights, so she might go to school during the day. I really just don't know how to deal with the obsession. The way I usually deal with them is pursue them, but that doesn't really apply when it's a person...
I know it is completely illogical. If I could quickly get more information about her, maybe I would find out that she is completely not my type. She could be a Scientologist or something. :P This is why I hate interacting with people face to face... I wish I knew her MySpace or Facebook page or something. Then I could fill in the blanks and be done with this and move on to obsessing over string theory or something.



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03 Jun 2009, 11:37 am

Sometimes I am depressed because I am single and a virgin, other times I am glad that I am not in a situation such as this. I would freak out. I have a good idea of what sort of woman I want to be with. But sometimes I'm too desperate. I would go nuts if someone cheated on me like that



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03 Jun 2009, 1:03 pm

I remember everything I have ever read from you. To me, you sound like a different person from the one in this text here about AS guys married to attractive NT wives:

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp2195080 ... t=#2195080

And you're even considering tossing that for some piece of skirt? Well, if you cheat all I can tell you is that you are about to learn the true meaning of "regret" and "gargantuan, colossal mistake". Life itself will be a far better teacher than I ever could be.

I would also point out that further up this linked thread, you unequivocally state that you are married to this woman which you now seem to be contradicting. This makes me tend to not trust your post in general.


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03 Jun 2009, 1:19 pm

ViperaAspis wrote:
I remember everything I have ever read from you. To me, you sound like a different person from the one in this text here about AS guys married to attractive NT wives:

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp2195080 ... t=#2195080

And you're even considering tossing that for some piece of skirt? Well, if you cheat all I can tell you is that you are about to learn the true meaning of "regret" and "gargantuan, colossal mistake". Life itself will be a far better teacher than I ever could be.

I would also point out that further up this linked thread, you unequivocally state that you are married to this woman which you now seem to be contradicting. This makes me tend to not trust your post in general.


I tend to go back and forth between the two labels. In practice, we are married and it is just simpler to refer to each other as husband and wife, but we not *legally* married.
And I am not looking to cheat, I am looking to be rid of an unwanted obsession. I don't chase "skirt". As I said before, I have had no trouble disregarding physical attraction to another woman. In this case, it is the non-sexual aspects that are the main problem.
And in regards to the referenced post, that all still holds true. That was one piece of a very complicated puzzle. This is another.



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03 Jun 2009, 1:37 pm

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I tend to go back and forth between the two labels. In practice, we are married and it is just simpler to refer to each other as husband and wife, but we not *legally* married.
And I am not looking to cheat, I am looking to be rid of an unwanted obsession. I don't chase "skirt". As I said before, I have had no trouble disregarding physical attraction to another woman. In this case, it is the non-sexual aspects that are the main problem.
And in regards to the referenced post, that all still holds true. That was one piece of a very complicated puzzle. This is another.


That is a fair and honest answer. I rescind my "paragraph of mistrust".

Please also mentally remove the 'piece of skirt' reference, it is (besides being lifted from a movie) of limited relation to my goal. I leave only the part about "regret" and "mistake". I state without malice and without making any moral judgments on the issue: this has a high probability of being devastating to your life. To continue the aforementioned thread's analogy (she's the ET to your Elliot), ET will phone home, a mothership will arrive and unload the most lethal of weapons on you: lawyers.

I say these things in the hope that you can add it to other things in your own mind that might help you deflect, redirect, or change your current obsession (whatever works best for you).

Good luck, this isn't easy to do.


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03 Jun 2009, 1:41 pm

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I tend to go back and forth between the two labels. In practice, we are married and it is just simpler to refer to each other as husband and wife, but we not *legally* married.
And I am not looking to cheat, I am looking to be rid of an unwanted obsession. I don't chase "skirt". As I said before, I have had no trouble disregarding physical attraction to another woman. In this case, it is the non-sexual aspects that are the main problem.
And in regards to the referenced post, that all still holds true. That was one piece of a very complicated puzzle. This is another.


That is a fair and honest answer. I rescind my "paragraph of mistrust".

Please also mentally remove the 'piece of skirt' reference, it is (besides being lifted from a movie) of limited relation to my goal. I leave only the part about "regret" and "mistake". I state without malice and without making any moral judgments on the issue: this has a high probability of being devastating to your life. To continue the aforementioned thread's analogy (she's the ET to your Elliot), ET will phone home, a mothership will arrive and unload the most lethal of weapons on you: lawyers.

I say these things in the hope that you can add it to other things in your own mind that might help you deflect, redirect, or change your current obsession (whatever works best for you).

Good luck, this isn't easy to do.


Well, I can't pursue my obsessions all of the time, mainly at work. So what I do there is have my iPod earbuds in the entire time (I never take them out, don't socialize at all). And that does a fairly okay job of keeping my brain occupied so that I can work. That is the only strategy I have and it doesn't work in this case.



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03 Jun 2009, 2:47 pm

mosto wrote:
Sometimes I am depressed because I am single and a virgin, other times I am glad that I am not in a situation such as this. I would freak out. I have a good idea of what sort of woman I want to be with. But sometimes I'm too desperate. I would go nuts if someone cheated on me like that



Attractive, young women are like the apples on a tree...the worthwhile ones are high up on the tree and often seem out of reach; while the tart ones exist on the lower branches or have fallen to the ground. Why do guys find it so difficult to make the effort to reach for the best apples near the top of the tree?



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03 Jun 2009, 2:56 pm

Zsazsa wrote:
mosto wrote:
Sometimes I am depressed because I am single and a virgin, other times I am glad that I am not in a situation such as this. I would freak out. I have a good idea of what sort of woman I want to be with. But sometimes I'm too desperate. I would go nuts if someone cheated on me like that



Attractive, young women are like the apples on a tree...the worthwhile ones are high up on the tree and often seem out of reach; while the tart ones exist on the lower branches or have fallen to the ground. Why do guys find it so difficult to make the effort to reach for the best apples near the top of the tree?


But apples don't have a say in the matter... women do.