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I'm sure many of you, if not all of you, are aware of the Tiger Woods scandal...how he cheated on his wife with about 10 women, told them all he didn't even like his wife...cheated with one of them during this bachelor party.

My reason for wanting women is nothing like that, but I guess I feel guilty for wanting women because when a woman hears about something like Tiger - a seemingly innocent looking guy - how is she supposed to trust any guy, especially when he wants a physical relationship?

I'm a woman, and I know what you mean about finding it hard to trust guys when stories like that get around.

Don't feel guilty though if you haven't cheated yourself.

Tiger Woods is a victim of his celebrity.... just kidding

Yeah, these stories kind of suck but most guys can't get 10 women at once, so really there's hope after all....

I think your guilt is misplaced.

All people have a sex drive--each is different, but we all have one. I don't think any person should feel guilty for the desire that stems from their libido--it's a natural part of being human.

What we should feel guilty for are our actions, where they hurt other people, both physically and emotionally. Being attracted to a person is fine. Touching a person that you are attracted to is not fine unless that person agrees to it. Cheating on your partner is not fine, unless you have previously agreed to have some kind of open relationship.

Don't feel guilty for being who you are, only for the things that you have done that make you less than you could be.

I don't understand why people like that get married, and especially have children. If you want to play around, don't involve innocent people, including children. Maybe there is a reason for him to cheat, but 11 people? Come on!

I've heard about it recently.... I was actually pretty devistated, I'd never thought a guy like him would cheat on her wife with 11 and I repeat, 11 girls, WOOOOW!!

If that was me doing that to my girlfriend, I wouldn't stand a chance and there would be no turning back....

Anyways, its difficult to prove to anyone that you are being truthful and that they can trust you.... Give them gifts, and not forgetting to show them your true love to them She will hopefully start trusting you more...

The easier way to get a woman is to start being friends with the woman and the relationship between the pair of ytou would grow and grow and grow, thats if you are doing it the easy way.... but don't forget that it is even longer to do so.


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What I don't understand is why it's anybody's business. Yes he cheated. So what? Why do you care that a golfer cheated anymore than some random guy or girl down the street? To me, the invasion of his privacy by the press and people caring just because he's famous where they wouldn't give two s**ts about anyone else is more offensive than the fact he had sex with someone other than his wife. I was just as annoyed when the giant "scandal" of Bill Clinton happened. So frustrating that people can get upset about someone over something like that just because they're famous.

I completely agree. I am not going to deny the fact that I think what both Tiger Woods and Bill Clinton did was pretty despicable, but that's their personal lives. I don't and never will understand why this should then have an impact on their careers, particularly if you are good at what you do. If you are a lazy slacker or bullying people at work, that's a good reason for your career to be affected, not because you couldn't keep the mouse in the house outside of work. Your personal life deserves to suffer for that, not anything else.

My point isn't about Tiger's privacy, it's about Tiger's actions and how I don't want to be labeled as that kind of guy. On one of those seduction sites, a 16 year old is mad at his girlfriend because they are fooling around but she isn't ready to have sex. I mean, at 16, I wasn't even masturbating. This is what I mean. I don't want to be THAT guy. I have no problem with the fact that I like attractive women, I love it, but I don't want to be classified as one of those guys just because I want physical pleasure.

Tiger Woods is a celebrity of his victims

When you are young, rich and famous, temptation comes to you. I am very sure those woman were not with him for a meaningful discussion. They are just as guilty as he is, being as famous as he is I'm sure they would have known he was married. The argument shown on the news is very one sided and biased because he is someone famous. Hell some of those women probably did it just so they could later get in the news for their 5 minutes of fame.

So like I wouldn't worry about it. I am pretty sure most Aspie guys wouldn't even understand the concept of cheating on their partner, if they ever manage to get one . If you get a gf that doesn't trust you then maybe they aren't the one for you.

Range, if you don't want to be labeled the same as Tiger, don't behave the way he has. Don't lie to women, don't cheat, don't string them along, don't make commitments lightly, don't "say anything" to get laid. Be honest about what you want and what you need. Will that guarantee you'll never encounter someone who will label you? Unfortunately, no. Sometimes you can answer all the questions accurately, state your intentions plainly, provide all the reassurance necessary - and people will still choose to hear what they'd like to hear. However, even if you're labeled unfairly, you'll be secure in your knowledge that you behaved decently and honestly - no guilt required.

To the folks who believe Tiger is being unfairly scrutinized....I'm kinda on the fence about it. He's a public figure, which means that the perception of him is a brand that's worth millions of dollars to the products he endorses. So....it's kinda hard to separate his conduct from his brand (I'm sure the organizations who've invested millions in him feel pretty cheated about now). On the other hand, I think this scrutiny has got to be unbearable for his wife. It's bad enough that he was cheating so prolificly, but that he was talking smack about his wife to these women...it's got to be so incredibly humiliating for her.

While I agree that the scrutiny of Bill Clinton was ridiculous, I was also one of those people who didn't dismiss his infidelity as a "private matter" when he was first elected (and I voted for him, both times). A person's character is revealed by his/her actions, and the fact is, he didn't keep one very important promise to one very important person in his life. Flash forward seven years to Monica Lewinsky....there's a case to be made for the idea that if the whole freaking government hadn't been distracted by a blow job for months and months, we might have captured Osama bin Laden. So, did Bill Clinton's "private" infidelity really have no consequence to anyone but Hillary? I really can't offer a definitive opinion.

In regards to Tiger's infidelity, who's to say those same endorsers CEO's aren't doing the same thing, just not getting caught? It's happened so many times that believing any fidelity among celebrities greater than probably 50% of the population (yes I'm pulling statistics out of the air, but a study like that couldn't be done accurately because all the participants would lie) is most likely extremely naive. Humans are more and more rarely monagamous creatures. And when you have the power/money/fame to get easy sex with attractive people, it's ridiculously tempting. Yes, if you actually promise and originally intend to keep a promise to an SO, then shame on you for breaking it. But that doesn't mean it's anyone else's business, especially half a world. The role model argument I can understand, but only to a small degree. Everyone is their own person, and if they intend to be that, they need to follow their own feet, not anothers.

In regards to Clinton, that stupid event caused a ludicrous amount of distraction in our entire federal government delaying and sidetracking many many things over a damn Blowjob. Sheesh, ret*d old congressmen all worked up over the political implications of that instead of doing their damn job. And through that Clinton STILL managed to completely negate a 350 billion deficit and actually got the government up to break even for the first time in decades. Love how long THAT lasted.

Yea Tiger's cheating was bad news, but seriously if your average married Joe was getting propositioned unsolicited left and right by beautiful women for years, I would bet that many if not most would eventually crack and just bang one. And I would bet the vast majority of those, once they did once, would do it again. And again.

The publicity of the Tiger thing is so out of control and I have trouble understanding what makes it so much worse than any other married celebrity known to play the field, yet somehow it is. Magic Johnson got AIDS due to cheating on his wife. Kobe Bryant almost got locked up for rape for Christ's sake. That's just to name a couple; neither of those cases were sensationalized to this degree, and neither of their images took as big of a hit as Tiger's has in a mere couple of weeks, and both had a level of celebrity at the time that was roughly equivalent to Tiger's.

I hate the media. This whole hoopla about "WOW 11 women!! !! ! (or whatever the number)". I'm willing to bet that half these women did not even sleep with Tiger and just want to get paid out for saying they did. And I have no doubt whatsoever that Tiger banged WAY more than 11 random women throughout his run of infidelity. I would just say "who cares?" but it obviously cannot be posed as a rhetorical question because apparently a whole lot of people do in fact care that Tiger did all this. I cannot possibly understand why.

To paraphrase Paul Newman: "Why go out for hamburgers when I can have filet mignon at home?"

Vyn and amazon_television, I hear you. I've got to tell you, I don't buy that whole argument about how people (aka "men") just can't be monogamous. I understand that biology and human nature are all factors that impact monogamy, but you know, we all have free will, conscience, and maybe even a moral code to live by (not really saying which moral code, just saying we all have the option of having one).

Marriage vows are serious....they talk about "forsaking all others" and use words like "cherish." If you're not up for keeping that kind of promise, you shouldn't be making it. Tiger Woods didn't have to marry his wife - clearly, he could have had his sexual needs met without the facade of marriage. (And since it kinda looks like his wife took a golf club to the read window of his SUV, I'm thinking she didn't think she was involved in a marriage that was a "facade.") So when you choose to enter into a traditional marriage, you should understand that your days of screwing around are over. If you think that's an unachievable standard, then you should tell the women in your life that you're just not the marrying kind.

Do other people (men and women) engage in infidelity? You bet. Does that infidelity hurt, humiliate, and devastate their partners? You bet. Is monogamy difficult? You bet. But very few people, at least in our culture, are literally forced into marriage. It's a choice people make, and if you want the perks of traditional marriage, well they come at a price (not the least of which is that your partner should have the peace of mind of knowing that she's disease free). So, put the shoe on the other foot, guys, and ask yourself how you'd feel if your beautiful wife - who you loved more than anything, and trusted, and had children with - was out banging around with everything that moved. I'm thinking you wouldn't show her much sympathy or compassion. I doubt very much you'd say, "Well, gee...she is beautiful and lots of men want her....really, who could blame her?" So...I don't really care about Tiger Woods personally (although I'm super glad I didn't marry him), but his conduct raises a very interesting subject that I think a lot of people in our society are curious about. Let's face it - lots of people want to make the case for infidelity - unless it's their significant other doing the cheating.

I don't think the tabloids who blew this thing wide open did so on account of the intriguing subject matter and opportunity for intelligent discourse about the subject of infidelity in general. But your point is taken. The subject to me personally is not an interesting one in the least. Humans evolved from chimpanzees, who are not monogamous in the least, so it makes sense that humans are not monogamous either. You may have misinterpreted my last post; I was not trying to make the case that men are incapable of monogamy. These quirky "emotion" things that we humans seem to have developed are powerful enough to detach SOME people from their biological imperative and steer them into monogamy. But that alone is not enough for everyone.

For my part, these emotions are plenty for me to be "monogamous" in my own relationships; I cannot see myself cheating on a partner whatsoever, although I realize that it's not impossible. But I have zero moral blockage preventing me from intruding on established relationships of others; that may sound horrible, selfish, whatever, but if I consider my track record, it's the absolute truth. I actually take the position that if a girl has a boyfriend it is good for my chances with her. Women who take a liking to me seem to do so by putting me in direct comparison with others they have been with, and if it's someone they are with presently, those differences are more in-your-face; hence, my chances of success are actually increased.

Ultimately, is that monogamous, or is it not? I have no idea. I suppose I take the position that within a society/civilization where monogamy is not a practice of 100% of the population, the entire concept of monogamy in an applied sense kind of slips into a grey area.