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01 Apr 2006, 9:09 am

What men consider romantic
By Steve Friedman

Men may not melt over flowers or candlelit dinners, but there are ways to sweep them off their feet. Here’s how. Many women consider men romance-deficient. However, I can say with confidence that these women are wrong. The problem isn’t that we lack romance. We have plenty of romance. We’re unbelievably romantic. The problem is that we define romance differently than you do. And, just as the most clueless guy can learn to buy tickets to a night of interpretive dance followed by a rousing morning of flea-market shopping, you members of the fairer sex might do well to consider what he wants. Hint: It’s not interpretive dance and flea-market shopping. So, here’s a primer for understanding what gestures men consider romantic. I’ll start with me:

Romance rule #1: Don’t expect anything in return
Michelle and I had been dating a little over a month when Valentine’s Day occurred. She’d invited me over to her place, where she was going to cook dinner. I brought some flowers and chocolates, because I’m a guy. When I entered her apartment, I could smell the steak broiling, the apple pie cooling. Very nice. But what was even nicer was her: A low-cut little cocktail dress. High heels. A string of pearls. An apron. (I’m not presumptuous enough to say it was every man’s fantasy, but being mine was good enough.) We kissed, we hugged, we ate. And all was good and romantic, until, just before dessert, Michelle rose from her chair, walked behind me to nibble an ear, then said, “OK, now help me clean up.”

Women, we men folk are all about sharing and caring and doing our part to ensure fair wages and an equitable distribution of housework and whatever else we’re supposed to be all about. But when we think of romance — and we do, we really, really do — we do not think of enforced reciprocity. Just as you want us to buy you things and treat you to dinner and tell you how beautiful you are because we want to, we want you to be affectionate and giving and do the steak and apple-pie cooking because you want to. You don’t want us to say, at the end of a romantic evening, “OK, now help me with the check,” or “I shelled out a lot of cash, sweetie, now it’s your turn to pony up.” Likewise, we don’t want “will you please help clean up” to be part of a deeply romantic gesture. In most guys’ eyes (and hearts and other parts of the anatomy), romance means giving. Not sharing or swapping favors. Giving. We like it when you understand that.

Romance rule #2: Take charge
Men are generally left with some or most of the burden of organizing outings, so the day you turn the tables on him and arrange the whole deal will be close to his heart. My good friend was really struck when his wife threw him a surprise birthday party on the beach, complete with a bar full of tequila and cable TV so he wouldn’t miss any football games and lose track of his fantasy football league. For one friend of mine, having a weekend-long mountain biking trip planned in Big Sur was a highlight—especially because there’s something about the view from a mountaintop, and you with him, that gets a guy feeling very amorous.

Romance rule #3: Add a humorous twist
Men generally don’t go for sappy love notes, but if they’ve got a sense of humor or something else going for them, recognizing that can be very effective. My friend Dan says he still fondly thinks of the girlfriend “who made her own fortune cookie fortunes — not the cookie, just the fortune — and would hide them throughout my apartment, in my wallet, a book I was reading, bedside stand and even luggage. I don’t know how she did it, but she had them printed in red ink, with those little half-cut holes that come on real fortune cookies. She would come up with great quotes and would print the date next to them. Like, ‘Time spent with you multiplies my happiness exponentially.’”

Romance rule #4: Sex should be involved, almost always
Call us simple-minded brutes, but for men, sex and romance are so inextricably linked. Pretty much any effort you make in the bedroom is automatically romantic. Not just fun, but romantic. He’ll feel closer to you—and you to him as a result, which is really what this is all about. If you’re not sure how to jump-start things, know that lingerie will usually do the trick. What you should wear and how to spring it on him depends largely on the guy. As my friend Jack put it, “If you’re 30 and under, a romantic gift to a guy really is (sad to admit) a woman in some clichéd, too-small, black-and-red lingerie outfit. We don’t need dinner,” he says. “If you’re over 30, a romantic gift can sometimes be a ski weekend (or any other activity-oriented getaway). Lingerie is still part of the equation, but not the trashy kind at this stage.”

Romance rule #5: Prove you’ve got him pegged
One man’s dream of the perfectly romantic day might be drinking 40’s of Budweiser together and going to Yankee Stadium for a baseball game. Another might prefer a day of hiking followed by a trip to the hot springs. For another it is going out for brunch and lazing around in the café, drinking coffee and reading the paper. What’s your guy’s favorite activity? Once you figure it out, give it to him. The more I heard from my friends, the more I realized how different we were. Not just from women, from each other. I have never gone for fancy lingerie—it’s always seemed too calculated, too cheesy. And I prefer to read novels and biographies over fortunes, no matter how sweet the intentions of the fortune-teller. Fantasy football? No thanks. All a woman has to do is to show she understands me and is deeply fond of the guy she understands. Then, I’m all hers.

Steve Friedman is the author of The Gentleman’s Guide To Life.
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01 Apr 2006, 10:50 am

Good post; and I understand baout the "romantic gesture" though I might add that dinner is not always a romantic gesture but merely a reflection of who has what culinary skills and therefore a request to help clean up would be understandable. :lol:



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01 Apr 2006, 11:28 am

What is romantic is a true and genuin emotional / psychological connection with another human being of the opposite gender.



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01 Apr 2006, 11:55 am

You know a girl who had a crush on me sent me a heart pillow once on valentine's day, I was flattered, but wasn't exactly swooned by it.



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01 Apr 2006, 12:13 pm

jman wrote:
You know a girl who had a crush on me sent me a heart pillow once on valentine's day, I was flattered, but wasn't exactly swooned by it.


Yes, but weren't you excited that the pillow might have indicated potential sex far down the road? ;)



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01 Apr 2006, 12:44 pm

ya but my heart didn't exactly melt beccause of it



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01 Apr 2006, 4:08 pm

do you all assume that because a girl makes a romantic gesture it means that we are indicating that we're gonna have sex with you?
someyimes we just want make that gesture, i like to cook for people and would make a nice dinner for two to show someone i love them (and yes i can cook well) it wouldn't just be to say 'btw we're gonna get it on'

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01 Apr 2006, 4:13 pm

When I'm with someone I love being romantic sometimes, to spoil a guy and make him feel special just by being him. And no I don't expect any help with the washing up. It doesn't always lead to sex but hey.



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01 Apr 2006, 5:19 pm

baby wrote:
do you all assume that because a girl makes a romantic gesture it means that we are indicating that we're gonna have sex with you?
someyimes we just want make that gesture, i like to cook for people and would make a nice dinner for two to show someone i love them (and yes i can cook well) it wouldn't just be to say 'btw we're gonna get it on'

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There's a difference between an assumption and a preoccupation. I tend to make the assumption that men tend to have a preoccupation, but I don't assume that men assume.



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01 Apr 2006, 9:02 pm

That's not how it is for me....

What I consider romantic...well, see my post in the "What is romance?" topic.

EDIT: Oh, hell, I'll just post it here.

Veresae wrote:
I don't see romance as a way to get sex, but then I'm another one of those self-proclaimed hopeless romantic sorts. No, to me romance is several things. It's a feeling--that feeling where you just care so much for someone, for who they are. You trust them, you adore them, you adore being around them. The knowledge that all they have to do to get you in a good mood is smile at you, and it makes your entire day better. It's also experiences with this person--those happy, warm moments that you both share and both will remember 'till your funeral's eve. Romance is the evening where everything seems to go right for once, where both of your ideals are met. It's that kiss under the full moon. Those great conversations that are funny and interesting enough to put into a novel. Those times when you can effortlessly ignore everything, stop thinking about the state of the world, and focus your attention on a single person--and know that they're doing the same. Romance is being inside a snowglobe with the person you're in love with, the both of you enjoying the hell out of it, needing nothing but each other to be happy. It's the knowledge that you'd do almost anything for this person, and that they'd do almost anything for you, but also the knowledge that neither of you have to do anything for each other because of how you feel. It's the feeling that brings your mood light even when darkness is all around you. Romance, to me, is nothing more or less than a moment where the feeling of love, rather than just lust, is shared by two people.



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02 Apr 2006, 2:15 am

Number two could be somewhat sweet, but the rest are the opposite of what I would want.

Veresae's eloquent definition is much better. Romance is not a servant to feed you and clean for you, nor is it an object to please your eye and satisfy your lusts. Romance is time spent in mutual utter devotion. Romance is love realized.



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02 Apr 2006, 2:55 am

I've always thought guys can't be bothered with romantic gestures so I've never bothered. I think they are only interested in sex, thats why I used to wear revealing clothing to give them what they want. Seem to appreciate it more than anything romantic.



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02 Apr 2006, 4:08 pm

Yes there are perverts out there (me included). But the fact is, men are visually oriented. Because of this, they will be attracted to a woman's physical beauty first... ...regardless of whether or not they wish to start a monogomous relationship. 90% of my chums will agree with me.



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02 Apr 2006, 8:56 pm

Odda wrote:
Yes there are perverts out there (me included). But the fact is, men are visually oriented. Because of this, they will be attracted to a woman's physical beauty first... ...regardless of whether or not they wish to start a monogomous relationship. 90% of my chums will agree with me.

So true. I honestly often don't even recognize the less attractive women in a room even exist. For example, within days of starting a class, I know maybe a few of the more attractive women's names from roll call or whatever. If I see one of the less attractive women elsewhere, I don't even realize we were ever in the same class together or anything like that.

Looks aren't the only thing I go for, but I won't deny they play a role.



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03 Apr 2006, 1:02 pm

For me, it's quite the opposite. During high school years, attractive girls were often girlfriends of the guys who bullied me. As a result, they acquired such negative associations (to me), that I was pretty much tuning them out. However, I noticed plain-looking girls very quickly. Now that's starting to wear off, as the bullying is fading into the distant history, and the fallout from it is wearing off. Despite that, I still prefer the company of an average girl than a hot one. But now it's about my comfort level with her, not about her being the girlfriend of a bully.



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06 Apr 2006, 7:16 am

Serissa wrote:
Good post; and I understand baout the "romantic gesture" though I might add that dinner is not always a romantic gesture but merely a reflection of who has what culinary skills and therefore a request to help clean up would be understandable. :lol:


yeah but the guy should be given the opportunity to decide for himself whether he wants to help with the dishes or not... i mean, men are expected to go out of the way to do romantic gestures for the woman.... what's wrong with expecting the woman to do the same in return? like say cooking dinner AND doing the dishes?

wouldn't it be better if while doing the dishes the guy comes up behind and says "hey u want some help?" but then i dunno... it's what a nice guy would do... and as it's been scientifically proven, women don't like nice guys...! *sigh*


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