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20 Nov 2010, 5:13 pm

I need some advice here.

My partner is a smart, talented individual, but he's also extremely troubled.

He had to deal with parents who thought that tearing him down was the right way to raise a child, and because of this he has almost no self-esteem left.

Every time we have a disagreement, he treats it like it's his fault and asks if I want him to leave.

Every time he gets close to succeeding with an ambitious project, he backs down and lets deadlines lapse.

Every time he gets a chance to get a job with a better company than the one he works for, he applies as a token gesture and never follows up.

It's like he feels like he doesn't deserve to be happy, and is doing everything he can to sabotage his own life.

I've tried reassuring him, I've tried offering rewards and incentives, and I've tried pestering him, none of it seems to work. He always snaps back to that same place no matter how much I try to raise him up or push him forward.

Threatening to leave him won't work because he believes he deserves as much and would just let it happen anyway (I know because this happened once).

I'm really worried about him and worried about our relationship because someone who does this to themselves can't hope to find happiness in life.

How do you deal with an Aspie whose ego has been totally, completely demolished?



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20 Nov 2010, 5:17 pm

most try therapy or drugs
I...well I am not totally sure what I did, I guess I just found something I enjoyed and got rid of the bastards in my life
its an inward journey, that can only begin when the person themselves decide they want to move forwards
if they don't want to they never will



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20 Nov 2010, 5:22 pm

That'd be fine, if we could afford therapy or drugs.



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20 Nov 2010, 5:26 pm

look in to self esteem and confidence books and cd's, you can get them on amazon cheaply or from the library. Good authors are susan jeffers, gael lindenfield, louise hay, marisa peer and paul mckenna.

You tube also has good videos on self esteem, and some good louise hay, wayne dyer and susan jeffers talks.



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20 Nov 2010, 5:27 pm

well then he can only become happy, truly happy, if he really wants to and looks deep inside and defeat his inner demons



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20 Nov 2010, 5:27 pm

Have you thought of trying hypnosis? Theres years of damage that need to be undone and i don't think one person is capable of doing that.

Has he confronted the parents about this?



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20 Nov 2010, 5:36 pm

ThatFoxAgain wrote:
I need some advice here.

My partner is a smart, talented individual, but he's also extremely troubled.

He had to deal with parents who thought that tearing him down was the right way to raise a child, and because of this he has almost no self-esteem left.

Every time we have a disagreement, he treats it like it's his fault and asks if I want him to leave.

Every time he gets close to succeeding with an ambitious project, he backs down and lets deadlines lapse.

Every time he gets a chance to get a job with a better company than the one he works for, he applies as a token gesture and never follows up.

It's like he feels like he doesn't deserve to be happy, and is doing everything he can to sabotage his own life.

I've tried reassuring him, I've tried offering rewards and incentives, and I've tried pestering him, none of it seems to work. He always snaps back to that same place no matter how much I try to raise him up or push him forward.

Threatening to leave him won't work because he believes he deserves as much and would just let it happen anyway (I know because this happened once).

I'm really worried about him and worried about our relationship because someone who does this to themselves can't hope to find happiness in life.

How do you deal with an Aspie whose ego has been totally, completely demolished?


So you are dating my friend Joe then? No....because Joe doesn't have AS,and doesn't have a girlfriend.

Honestly I am willing to bet your boyfriend has passive aggressive personality disorder. You might try to see if he'll get counseling. He probably suffers from depression to, but honestly, beyond that I don't have any constructive advice.



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21 Nov 2010, 4:37 am

I think I might could help here. I'm an Aspie who's been on both sides of low self-esteem issue in a relationship years ago. I had no self-esteem in the begging but latter I got some but hers got low(long story) & I tried helping her with it. It's good that you are concerned about his low self-esteem but pushing him to work on it is actually making it worse because he probably believes that you are better off without him so trying to change it only confirms that you do not like the way he is. Threatening to leave him is NOT a good idea unless you want the relationship to end. He needs to feel that you love & accept him the way he is instead of thinking that you are better off without him. You could try telling him why you are with him & try letting him know that you are better off with him than without him. It may help if you try to make him feel more involved & wanted/needed; like if you are having a problem with something that is not about him or there is something on your mind that is unrelated to him; try talking to him about it & giving him a chance to step-up & help out even if you don't really need him to & let him know that you appropriated it. He might start feeling more secure if he feels more useful in the relationship. You could also try offering to help him with things he needs to do or even taking charge & having him help you with it instead of pestering him to do em. He might be to anxious/worried/afraid of failure to try on his own at 1st. After he succeeds a few times & starts feeling a little more confident with it; you can start slowly pulling back with your help or having him help you more with it. Try asking him what he wants & how he feels about things & really listen to what he says instead of discrediting his feelings(I'm NOT saying you do that but it's possible that he might perceive it that way). It's going to be a lot of work in the beginning with this & you might not notice much(if any) improvement with his self-esteem in the beginning but 1ce it starts to sink in after a while; you might be very pleasantly surprised. I don't really agree with the advice that's been given here so for. I've spent 5 years seeing psychs, taking meds & getting counseling & it did NOT help me. I found going true things in life with others by my side who were supportive of me & gradually encouraged me to step up & having positive experiences when I did; helped me much much more than the professionals ever did. I'm not sure what else to say here at the moment but I'll try to help more if I can


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21 Nov 2010, 8:24 am

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I think I might could help here. I'm an Aspie who's been on both sides of low self-esteem issue in a relationship years ago. I had no self-esteem in the begging but latter I got some but hers got low(long story) & I tried helping her with it. It's good that you are concerned about his low self-esteem but pushing him to work on it is actually making it worse because he probably believes that you are better off without him so trying to change it only confirms that you do not like the way he is. Threatening to leave him is NOT a good idea unless you want the relationship to end. He needs to feel that you love & accept him the way he is instead of thinking that you are better off without him. You could try telling him why you are with him & try letting him know that you are better off with him than without him. It may help if you try to make him feel more involved & wanted/needed; like if you are having a problem with something that is not about him or there is something on your mind that is unrelated to him; try talking to him about it & giving him a chance to step-up & help out even if you don't really need him to & let him know that you appropriated it. He might start feeling more secure if he feels more useful in the relationship. You could also try offering to help him with things he needs to do or even taking charge & having him help you with it instead of pestering him to do em. He might be to anxious/worried/afraid of failure to try on his own at 1st. After he succeeds a few times & starts feeling a little more confident with it; you can start slowly pulling back with your help or having him help you more with it. Try asking him what he wants & how he feels about things & really listen to what he says instead of discrediting his feelings(I'm NOT saying you do that but it's possible that he might perceive it that way). It's going to be a lot of work in the beginning with this & you might not notice much(if any) improvement with his self-esteem in the beginning but 1ce it starts to sink in after a while; you might be very pleasantly surprised. I don't really agree with the advice that's been given here so for. I've spent 5 years seeing psychs, taking meds & getting counseling & it did NOT help me. I found going true things in life with others by my side who were supportive of me & gradually encouraged me to step up & having positive experiences when I did; helped me much much more than the professionals ever did. I'm not sure what else to say here at the moment but I'll try to help more if I can


awesome post. I agree.



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21 Nov 2010, 10:50 am

I really like what Nick said, plus I might add some of my personal experience because your partner sounds a lot like me.

Here's what I've learned after 44 years struggling with a childhood like your partner's:

1. My ego was NOT "destroyed" - at the center I had a pretty clear and reasonable assessment of my strengths/weaknesses, what I wanted, who I loved (or wanted to find) and that in certain areas I was capable of doing some extraordinary things.

2. My low self-esteem was/is defensive in nature and designed to protect me from the extreme psychological pain I experienced during childhood (which now no longer exists). I essentially inoculated myself from the pain of failure/loneliness by making it a foregone conclusion.

Applied to your situation, he has protected himself from the pain of rejection and failure and in the process made both inevitable.

In my case, that meant dealing with my low self-esteem like you would a phobia - allowing myself to experience failure and in the process seeing that it wasn't the end of the world. This gave me a measure of confidence, determination and resiliency which is the key to success in life. I've achieved some things professionally that I am tremendously proud of and have really enjoyed the benefits financially and in terms of self-esteem.

Now if I could just do the same thing with my love life... ;)

I hope this helps, and good luck!



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21 Nov 2010, 12:05 pm

I wish I could help. I was like your partner until very recently. I've promised myself to be fair on myself and not sabotage my life out of fear. I feel more confident now, but I still lapse into insecurity. It will take him many years to change, but if he agrees to do it, and really wants to, he will change. If he's naturally conscientious and worrier, like me, he can promise to treat himself better, and although his logical mind might be split from his fear instincts, it will win out if he has enough support.



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21 Nov 2010, 3:55 pm

OP, I don’t think you’re going to like what I have to say, but I hope you consider it: the solution to this problem is beyond your capabilities, influence and control.

If you think about what you’ve written in your post, I think you’ll start to see my point. You’ve already tried everything you can think of: cajoling, rewarding, threatening, sympathizing, accommodating, etc., etc. Unfortunately none of it worked - because you can’t heal another person’s psychological and emotional wounds. You can’t give him self-esteem; you can’t “lift him up”; you can’t change him (even when you want to unselfishly change someone for the better – you still can’t change another person).

Unless and until resolving these issues becomes his priority, I’m afraid nothing will change. He has to face the trauma and heal it. He has to work through the complex emotional and psychological problems that spring from childhood abuse. There’s just no substitute for doing the work.

Unfortunately, there are obstacles he’ll have to overcome. Men often have very, very negative attitudes about therapy, or dealing with emotional and psychological issues. (Sorry for the generalization, but I think its true.) There’s a stigma attached to it, that I believe is related to a perception of weakness, e.g., a real man doesn’t need help solving his problems. Of course, the reality is that it takes a lot more courage to face your problems than to hide from them, but logic doesn’t necessarily enter into the equation.

Additionally, when you’re raised by people who abuse you, you tend to seek out partners who will abuse you. As screwed up as that seems, it’s true. When the people who provide your identity teach you that love and abuse go hand-in-hand, it’s a very, very difficult lesson to un-learn. If an abuse victim happens to find a partner who is not an abuser, the victim will often sabotage the relationship. (Which is, IMO, what’s happening to you.) It’s not a lack of love or appreciation or dissatisfaction with the non-abusing partner that prompts the sabotage….it’s that the lack of abuse doesn’t feel “authentic” to the abuse victim. It doesn’t feel like “home” – it doesn’t reinforce the message they carry with them into every situation: that they’re defective and deserve to be treated like garbage.

Asperger’s adds another layer of complexity to your situation. Aspies have issues processing stress - they’re not able to deal with it like NTs do. From what I’ve seen and read, stress seems to accumulate in a much more linear way for Aspies. For example, you and I might have a stressful day, but a decent evening and/or a good night’s sleep will kind of “reset” our stress level back to normal. For an Aspie (and this is my understanding, so feel free to correct and/or amplify this explanation, Aspies), stress tends to build, one stressor on top of another, kind of like water heating in a tea kettle. How far an Aspie will allow the stress to build seems to be very dependent on each individual Aspie. For some, the tea kettle boils until the whistle starts screaming, a.k.a., a meltdown. Other Aspies seems to be able to vent the stress more quickly and more often (by performing stress relieving activities), and are able to largely avoid meltdowns.

But the problem is that your relationship may be a considerable source of stress for your Aspie, if only because you’re a constant reminder that there’s something wrong – and it’s his problem. I don’t say that in an accusatory way – I don’t mean to infer that you’re some kind of harpy, constantly nagging him about his low self-esteem. It’s just that his self-handicapping behaviors are a source of trouble in the relationship, and a constant reminder that: he has low self-esteem (and all of the reasons he has low self-esteem); he doesn’t deserve you (at least that’s how he feels); he’s not dealing with the problem. IMO, that level of stress – and his unwillingness and/or inability to deal with the issues causing it – is probably at the heart of his constant offers to leave. He doesn’t want to leave because he doesn’t love you, value you, etc. It’s because of the dissonance caused by someone like yourself (a non-abuser who thinks he’s an awesome guy) actually wanting to be with him, and his inability to reconcile the value you see in him with his crappy, abused self-image.

Sooooo…..sorry for delving into this psychological stuff so deeply, but I think you need to realize that ultimately, this is not your problem to solve. He needs to take responsibility for his own psychological and emotional health and well being. You can get self-help books if you’d like, but he’s going to have to be the one to read them. And in order to read them, he’s going to have to admit that there is a solution to his problem – and that he holds the key. It’s all up to him, OP. As maddening and difficult as that is, it’s true.

So the question you have to ask yourself is, if he doesn’t change, are you willing to stay? I get the impression that you genuinely love this man, and I also have a feeling that if he were making forward progress of any type, your commitment to him would be open-ended. (Maybe that’s some projection on my part, but I don’t suppose you would be surfing the internet for solutions if you weren’t in it for the long haul.) But what if he’s not making forward progress, and what if he won’t make “progress” a priority in his life? How long can you tolerate the situation? What if he finally melts down and dumps you, just to remove the stress? I say this not to upset you, but to get you to see what you’re up against. Unfortunately, love is not enough to fix your relationship, or your man. I know it feels like it should be, but if love were enough to heal these type of wounds, there would hardly be any wounded people around. If you stay with him, you have to accept him, and all the consequences of who he is. You can always try an ultimatum, but IMO, that’s always a crapshoot. Unfortunately, I don’t have the secret to how to make a man (or woman) want to address his issues – even when you want him to address them only so you can have a happy, healthy relationship. You also can’t forget that he may not be the only person with something to learn here….sometimes you have no choice but to walk away. As heartbreaking as that decision may be, it would likely be better than staying and resenting him for being the way he is, and for not doing what’s necessary to change. I really do feel for you hon, and I’m sorry you have to go through this...it’s an absolute b!tch.


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