Asymmetry in Aspie-NT relationships

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Grisha
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16 Jan 2011, 6:41 pm

It seems to be an unexamined assumption in AS-NT relationships that the primary challenge is getting the Aspie half to be more NT-like in their daily social functioning.

This can often result in a relationship that is more "parent-child" than a healthy "adult-adult" dynamic.

In my case, it has gotten so bad that I needed to "split" in order to restore some semblance of self-esteem.

So I was thinking about ways to make an NT more Aspie-like:

- Learn to cultivate and appreciate more "me" time. Rather than expect to live and report every mundane detail about your life, try to maintain some sort of individual identity - have "outside" friends and hobbies that function like AS special interests. Maybe it really isn't so important to spend your entire life with a mobile phone stuck to your ear telling someone else what you had for lunch...

- Rather than trying to bring the Aspie "out of his/her shell", why don't you try climbing into it for a change? The relative merits of different models of blenders can really be interesting :wink:

Of course I was exaggerating on the last point, but seeing something with the intensity and focus of many Aspies in some more "conventional" subject, like nature can really help you to appreciate some things you might have overlooked that are really quite beautiful, with the added benefit of bonding with your Aspie.

I'm sure there's lots of other things that can be done along these lines, but I really don't have enough relationship experience to describe them.



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16 Jan 2011, 7:28 pm

I agree, I think any relationship requires give and take from both sides. Aspie - NT relationships can work out quite well I think if both sides are willing to compromise. That being said, I had to end my most recent relationship last night :( but at least we gave it our best shot.


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16 Jan 2011, 7:52 pm

sunshower wrote:
I agree, I think any relationship requires give and take from both sides. Aspie - NT relationships can work out quite well I think if both sides are willing to compromise. That being said, I had to end my most recent relationship last night :( but at least we gave it our best shot.


I am so sorry to hear about your breakup :(



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18 Jan 2011, 11:06 am

Hi...

This is my first post on WP... Is symmetry possible? I married a year ago. My NT wife was temporarily not emotionally healthy, on the rebound when we married. I am frustrated in her ability to deal with things rationally under stress. I'm open for change as long as the method works with my Aspie abilities.

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18 Jan 2011, 11:53 am

Grisha, You have a good point and you explain why my relationship works and is successful to a large degree.
Basically I have my time for alone time and focus on my interests. Basically time apart. We have seperate things we are into. This does not mean the relationship is static.

The downside is I can see this working more for a female aspie than a male one. Most women usually drive social interactions, which tend to be quite extensive. It is easier for me to limit social interactions. My boyfriend is very social and things he plans add up quick, but it is probably easier for me to guide things when I need to be in my shell, or at least want to limit my activity to just him. The point being is to make those non-social nights enjoyable for the more social partner.

But you are describing why those who have successful relationships do have successful relationships. The key though is communicating our issues to our partners, which is not always easy, not everybody is that compromising and patient.



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18 Jan 2011, 11:57 am

maxtpm wrote:
Hi...

This is my first post on WP... Is symmetry possible? I married a year ago. My NT wife was temporarily not emotionally healthy, on the rebound when we married. I am frustrated in her ability to deal with things rationally under stress. I'm open for change as long as the method works with my Aspie abilities.

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I don't know if symmetry is possible, or arguably even desirable - it is an NT world after all.

I can totally relate to what you're saying about acting rationally under stress, my ex-wife was exactly the same way. When an "emergency" situation occurs, I get right down to business doing what is required. I don't hesitate and these situations make me unusually
clear-headed and resourceful.

My ex-wife would literally scream at me for not taking the situation "seriously" -even though I was taking it VERY seriously and doing what needed to be done.

What was I supposed to do? Run around screaming or something?

In these situations, she was very lucky to have an Aspie around.

Edit: Oh yeah, welcome to WP! :)



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18 Jan 2011, 11:57 am

I think my NT looks after me in one way, but I look after him in another.



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18 Jan 2011, 12:10 pm

Grisha wrote:
- Rather than trying to bring the Aspie "out of his/her shell", why don't you try climbing into it for a change?


This line has me pondering. What would this look like / entail?



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18 Jan 2011, 12:33 pm

Making an NT act like an Aspie? That's just as stupid as NTs expecting us to act like them.



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18 Jan 2011, 12:38 pm

Asp-Z wrote:
Making an NT act like an Aspie? That's just as stupid as NTs expecting us to act like them.


In an NT-AS relationship or marriage compromise is required by both sides otherwise the relationship will fail.



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18 Jan 2011, 12:40 pm

starygrrl wrote:
Grisha, You have a good point and you explain why my relationship works and is successful to a large degree.
Basically I have my time for alone time and focus on my interests. Basically time apart. We have seperate things we are into. This does not mean the relationship is static.

The downside is I can see this working more for a female aspie than a male one. Most women usually drive social interactions, which tend to be quite extensive. It is easier for me to limit social interactions. My boyfriend is very social and things he plans add up quick, but it is probably easier for me to guide things when I need to be in my shell, or at least want to limit my activity to just him. The point being is to make those non-social nights enjoyable for the more social partner.

But you are describing why those who have successful relationships do have successful relationships. The key though is communicating our issues to our partners, which is not always easy, not everybody is that compromising and patient.


That's why I'm looking for someone who's not much more social than me. What I don't understand is why some people are not accommodating or patient with regards to our issues and then complain that we don't satisfy their needs. You can't have one one without the other. Yes, we can change to a degree but change has its limits. AS is a neurological difference after all and we can't change how our brains are wired.



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18 Jan 2011, 12:41 pm

MidlifeAspie wrote:
Grisha wrote:
- Rather than trying to bring the Aspie "out of his/her shell", why don't you try climbing into it for a change?


This line has me pondering. What would this look like / entail?

I think he means that the partner should accept that they are not going to go out most days and they should at least do an attempt to try to understand why you are interested in something(best way of doing this is usally by trying to join the other person on activities related to something they like/are obsessed with).


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18 Jan 2011, 12:46 pm

MidlifeAspie wrote:
Asp-Z wrote:
Making an NT act like an Aspie? That's just as stupid as NTs expecting us to act like them.


In an NT-AS relationship or marriage compromise is required by both sides otherwise the relationship will fail.


A certain amount of compromise is required in any relationship, but saying this should be done by making an NT more Aspie is stupid. The way to do it is for the couple in question to naturally do what they have to do in their circumstances. You can't just set out generic guidelines.



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18 Jan 2011, 12:47 pm

spongy wrote:
MidlifeAspie wrote:
Grisha wrote:
- Rather than trying to bring the Aspie "out of his/her shell", why don't you try climbing into it for a change?


This line has me pondering. What would this look like / entail?

I think he means that the partner should accept that they are not going to go out most days and they should at least do an attempt to try to understand why you are interested in something(best way of doing this is usally by trying to join the other person on activities related to something they like/are obsessed with).


I agree with this.



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18 Jan 2011, 12:53 pm

Jono wrote:
That's why I'm looking for someone who's not much more social than me.


Tony Atwood actually insists the opposite is true. For a relationship between an AS and an NT to survive and thrive he states that there are three things that must exist, the third of which is that the NT partner must have a successful social life outside of the relationship. He states that an NT partner without this will eventually be forced to leave the relationship due to his/her need for social interaction being stymied and buried within the confines of the relationship. This is something I am actively working with my wife on - trying to get her to go out more often and do things with her girlfriends.



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18 Jan 2011, 12:56 pm

Asp-Z wrote:
MidlifeAspie wrote:
Asp-Z wrote:
Making an NT act like an Aspie? That's just as stupid as NTs expecting us to act like them.


In an NT-AS relationship or marriage compromise is required by both sides otherwise the relationship will fail.


A certain amount of compromise is required in any relationship, but saying this should be done by making an NT more Aspie is stupid. The way to do it is for the couple in question to naturally do what they have to do in their circumstances. You can't just set out generic guidelines.


I don't think the extreme of calling Grisha's question "stupid" was warranted. Just because you don't agree with something does not make it unworthy of discussion. I believe what he was getting at is the basic question of "Why must the Aspie always be the one to compromise".