Do guys think they'd be better off as woman with AS?

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16 Apr 2011, 7:51 am

I know the thread title sounds pretty weird but I hope we get some mature answers out of this.

Do you guys think you can cope better with AS if you were a woman?

Not that girls have it any easier but...since they have an easier time getting dates and such....would you want to be a woman for simply more acceptance or whatever?

Again, I advise all members here to act mature about this subject as it's merely a question and no-one hopefully will be throwing around trans-gender jokes.

My opinion would be that I'd feel like I may have lesser symptoms and I would feel more accepted by a social community as a woman...that's not to say that AS woman in these forums have it any easier by any means...but seeing as most AS woman here have had better relationships and some even have offspring I wouldn't exactly say they have it as hard as guys do.

That's my opinion anyway and I hope that you guys have plausable opinions in a similar manner.


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16 Apr 2011, 7:59 am

I think it really has more to do with how AS effects your personality or presence. I've seen similar amounts of guys and girls do either reasonably well or real badly and, looking at the writing or depth of thought you'll see that its really other factors lining up aside from personality.

Overall it does seem like guys and girls do have their own groups of standards and the way you lose out is having symptoms that score strikes against you. If it ends up in strikes against a guy's virility or a girl's femininity in a way that isn't already seen as some sort of niche alternative vogue, they're SOL.


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16 Apr 2011, 8:02 am

I would say yes, at least for myself. I'd likely have a lot more in common.


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16 Apr 2011, 8:05 am

Uh oh.
I wonder how long before this turns into another battle of the sexes.



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16 Apr 2011, 8:13 am

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
I think it really has more to do with how AS effects your personality or presence. I've seen similar amounts of guys and girls do either reasonably well or real badly and, looking at the writing or depth of thought you'll see that its really other factors lining up aside from personality.

Overall it does seem like guys and girls do have their own groups of standards and the way you lose out is having symptoms that score strikes against you. If it ends up in strikes against a guy's virility or a girl's femininity in a way that isn't already seen as some sort of niche alternative vogue, they're SOL.

This. Additionally, any apparent benefits in the dating game may well be offset by problems in other areas.



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16 Apr 2011, 8:19 am

Starlight-Supernova wrote:
would you want to be a woman for simply more acceptance or whatever?


Women don't get acceptance btw.

I'm 26 years old and still shunned by my peers.



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16 Apr 2011, 8:22 am

"The grass is always greener".

I can think of several reasons I personally would prefer to be a male, having AS, but I have no idea what it's like in reality,
and it gets old, it being asserted women somehow have it easier.


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16 Apr 2011, 8:24 am

hale_bopp wrote:
Starlight-Supernova wrote:
would you want to be a woman for simply more acceptance or whatever?


Women don't get acceptance btw.

I'm 26 years old and still shunned by my peers.


Yeah, I have no clue why people think this. :roll:


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16 Apr 2011, 8:32 am

CrinklyCrustacean wrote:
Bethie wrote:
"The grass is always greener".

Yes.
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I can think of several reasons I personally would prefer to be a male, having AS,

Such as?


Bluntness in men is confidence, in women it's being a b***h.
A man who's not overly-sociable is at worst a weirdo, a woman is a stuck-up better than everyone snob.
Logic-based responses in men are expected, in women it means you're "coldhearted".

You get the picture.

It boggles my mind when people assert women with AS somehow have it easier- as a woman with AS, I find the complete opposite to be true.

But regardless of how I feel, I don't know what it's like to be the opposite sex, nor does anyone else,
hence why I usually try to cut short b*tchfests about who has it worse-
they serve absolutely no purpose except to antagonize.


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16 Apr 2011, 8:53 am

I'm glad we have many mature answers about this.

I see that there are many disadvantages to both genders but it's mostly what would suit you as having the best advantage more then "I wanna be a woman because I'm a feminist".

I don't like being labelled a weirdo, whether it be a guy or a woman but if you are also labelled as a stuck up b**** if you were a female, then I know which I would choose...


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16 Apr 2011, 9:01 am

I have no idea.

Let me try to be a woman first and then I get back to you.



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16 Apr 2011, 9:03 am

forget it....



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16 Apr 2011, 9:43 am

No, I'm definitely better off as a man, because I like to spend most of my time doing solitary activities, and women don't get to do that much. Of course, if I was a woman, I would have grown up and seen the world differently, so how the hell would I know the answer to this question? I just know that I'm happy with who I am, and considering who I am and the direction I've taken, being a woman would screw everything up.

Now, there are a couple things I want to point out about "being a woman versus being a man". First of all, attention is not the same as acceptance. Acceptance is when someone shows interest in who you are, not in what you are. That's much easier for men. If a woman does not experience enough acceptance, by the time she reaches the age of 22 or so, many times she will turn into an angry woman who says things like "Why can't I speak my mind?" and "I want one guy to prove to me they aren't all the same" etc. etc. Men usually turn into "Why can't women like nice guys" and "Why the double standards" etc. etc.

Bluntness in men can be confidence, but usually it means he is an a**hole. Bluntness in women is the same thing. It can mean confidence, but usually it means she is a b***h. It depends on what's being discussed. A man not saying much is a weirdo, and a woman not saying much is a snob who is better than everyone. That part is very true. As for logic based responses, men aren't expected to give logic. Men are expected to give macho. Logic is NOT macho. Macho is the opposite of logic. Hell, I give logic all the time, and people get mad at me because I make them think and they don't want their mental state of omniscience disturbed. This is why I'm seen as not very manly. Most people can't handle logic, because they get all angry. When women give logic based responses, (on a regular basis, mind you) it usually means she is simple, and less feminine. It also means she is a know it all, and she should keep her mouth shut and go back to the kitchen and...you get the idea. She ain't better'n me! So sure, women are less able to give logic based responses, but not only are they less likely to do that in the first place, men can't do that either.



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16 Apr 2011, 9:54 am

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No, I'm definitely better off as a man, because I like to spend most of my time doing solitary activities, and women don't get to do that much. Of course, if I was a woman, I would have grown up and seen the world differently, so how the hell would I know the answer to this question? I just know that I'm happy with who I am, and considering who I am and the direction I've taken, being a woman would screw everything up.

Now, there are a couple things I want to point out about "being a woman versus being a man". First of all, attention is not the same as acceptance. Acceptance is when someone shows interest in who you are, not in what you are. That's much easier for men. If a woman does not experience enough acceptance, by the time she reaches the age of 22 or so, many times she will turn into an angry woman who says things like "Why can't I speak my mind?" and "I want one guy to prove to me they aren't all the same" etc. etc. Men usually turn into "Why can't women like nice guys" and "Why the double standards" etc. etc.

Bluntness in men can be confidence, but usually it means he is an a**hole. Bluntness in women is the same thing. It can mean confidence, but usually it means she is a b***h. It depends on what's being discussed. A man not saying much is a weirdo, and a woman not saying much is a snob who is better than everyone. That part is very true. As for logic based responses, men aren't expected to give logic. Men are expected to give macho. Logic is NOT macho. Macho is the opposite of logic. Hell, I give logic all the time, and people get mad at me because I make them think and they don't want their mental state of omniscience disturbed. This is why I'm seen as not very manly. Most people can't handle logic, because they get all angry. When women give logic based responses, (on a regular basis, mind you) it usually means she is simple, and less feminine. It also means she is a know it all, and she should keep her mouth shut and go back to the kitchen and...you get the idea. She ain't better'n me! So sure, women are less able to give logic based responses, but not only are they less likely to do that in the first place, men can't do that either.


That's a very well thought out response...it's intriguing that you think like that...and explains quite a few things about social acceptance by two genders...and it is sadly true that logic hardly ever comes into play in the majority of situations...although I am not so sure that the kitchen comment though as it does sound very stereotypical of what a guy would say from 1950...or at least the OAPs who think that since that was what they were adapted to back then.

I guess being a woman wouldn't suit you then since you accept your flaws and only see the positives of your condition and personality, which I am glad you have found in all honesty. :D

Although this thread is merely theoretical on whether AS guys as a whole would perfer to be a woman with AS if they had the chance, but your post has made good points about accepting yourself rather then wanting to change....which we would all like to do if it we're a perfect world...but this is Wrong Planet. :wink:


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16 Apr 2011, 9:57 am

No, id likely be just as lonely.



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16 Apr 2011, 10:04 am

Truce.

Now time for pie. 8)


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