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Less of the sledging please!! ! BITTERNESS, so did you get tickets for the fourth Ashes test back in Dec then? do you what revenger from your country having a s**t cricket team then?

Please do remind me who won the urn in the last two Ashes series as I have forgotten

I have no idea why hed do that and then ask you to come over. I dont see anyone who wouldnt reject someone after saying that. There must be something wrong with him if hed do that or think youd come over after that.

And to be a "better challenge" for men by playing "hard to get". Yep, not exactly "manipulation" according to your argument.

But that's ok. Women are definitely much more innocent than men.



To get laid, to have success with women and with social interactions, and to basically be a better man. It's not just one goal usually. It's one set of goals which is: become the best man one can be.

But once again, why is it wrong, in your book, for a man to desire to get laid with random women who also desire to get laid (albeit with their own womanly conditions)?



If you can't help me, I won't force you.

But I can tell you the best self-help programs are the ones that actually agree with the psychology behind most of the PUA stuff out there.



They are "douchebags" that get to be successful in life, more so than the "opposite" type. Now you understand why some men would rather be "douchebags" than "nice guys". Women still fall for them despite their "douchebaggery". And there is a reason why. They're bloody attractive.



I'm not interested in emulating him, but he sure is a cool as*hole, don't you think?

I mean, if I were the charming Rhett Buttler, and I took you out on a date, you'd be having a good fun date full of laughter and enjoyment and romantic wonders and fantasies of how good I would be in bed. That's just the way it is.

Debating reality over the Internet is very easy. Living against it is not.

It's called emotional and psychological abuse.

Cricket? Maybe if I get to play the game, it'd be actually enjoyable. Watching others play it is a bore.

some magazines say that, and other ones teach women to be better bait for PUA. it still isn't an industry designed to manipulate men.


show me where i said that... oh wait, it doesn't exist.

those things do not equal being a better man. a man can get laid and have plenty of social interactions yet be an as*hole.


they are not necessarily fully willing, and they do not necessarily fully understand what is going on when techniques like hypnosis are used. if a woman truly wants to sleep with a man, then such tricks are not required.


no, i would say they do not agree. and i do not think it was a genuine request for assistance.


so what... they are not decent people anymore on the inside, so you are essentially recommending that men become as*holes so they can get laid. "success" is not a positive goal for the inner self, in this case.


errrrr no. don't see why i would think that.


yes, women fall for it. and it isn't real. in most cases the women usually want more than what happens in the bedroom, but they are sold a pack of lies.


i live in the same world. and i've been on the other side of that, now haven't i? don't talk about easy.

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Yup, it's a b***h. I told the f****r to never contact me again and he hasn't yet so yaaaaaaaaay!

Relationships and dating are lot like cricket, PUA is just a dirty and poor sportsmanship form of twenty20, where as being your self & playing the long game of love is a lot like first class test cricket with great sportsmanship.

That sounds simple enough, but I don't even have the foundation to begin utilizing this stuff in real life.

My guess is that the PUA gurus are assuming that their clients are relatively normal men who have some social contacts, enjoy socializing, and have normal lives generally.

Do I apply for any of those three criteria? No so much.

I've read some stuff on "cold approaching", "DHV", "negging", etc.

How do you think I can get away with being a f*****g social ret*d in a club setting trying to fumble through lines, openers, sets and other memorized BS?

It's changed your life.

That much I understand, but it seems a lost cause with me.

I just get so f*****g depressed coming on here and reading about success stories, when I know I'll never get away from this reality of mine.

I was much happier crunching through textbooks and being absorbed in my other interests rather than getting a slap in the face.

Pick up artistry is a bunch of laughable bullcrap. It's nothing but a marketing scheme.

I did some reading on it before. Apparently teasing a women through being cocky and funny establishes your alpha male status and creates attraction since all girls are apparently naturally attracted to alphas. What a joke. The reason light hearted teasing works is cuz, well, y so srs? Loosening up is a lot better than being uptight. I joke around with people all the time. So screw all this pseudo-scientific crap, it's really that simple. It's just normal socializing, it's not some frigging power struggle. Being uptight isn't normal socializing and neither is being a high value demonstrating douche. It's hilarious how they make such typical things out to be larger than life.

Don't apply such criteria to yourself, mate. You don't need to be a social buzz in order to benefit from the psychology behind these PUA/alpha male teachings.



I honestly don't even know what they're supposed to mean exactly.The only "trick" I know about is the cocky & funny "trick" (made famous by David Deangelo).



Simple. Don't try them out. Why are you making things so hard for you?

Be the best "alpha man" you can be (according to your person). Don't try to be someone else you're not.



It only seems like a lost cause because it seems you didn't really get the core point of what these materials actually teach you.

It isn't about knowing how to do this and that systematically. It's about being a man (regardless of goals and desires in life).



My success story isn't complete. This is just the beginning for me. And it can easily be the same for you. You can't be worse off than I am.

Cocky & funny demonstrates a strong confident but light-hearted character to the woman. It's an attractive trait to many females out there.

But even then, you don't need to adopt such a method anyway. Every man has a personality of his own. Not every man can utilize the Cocky/Funny bit effectively, and he doesn't have to.