So I meet someone on a dating site...

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07 May 2011, 8:04 am

What on earth is the correct procedure of things after then?

I've been talking to a guy on Ok Cupid for almost 6 months now, and we haven't really gotten anywhere beyond friendship, and talking about him driving up to spend a weekend doing touristy stuff with me around my home town. We haven't really gotten anywhere at all romantically, despite the fact we met on a dating site. In fact I'd say we've gone backwards since he has no time to send me messages anymore (rather we've been sending each other a few SMS's daily).

Anyway, he has never really told me what he is looking for either directly or implicitly. I've been in the friendzone with him since we met and I'm not sure if it's because he's not interested in dating anyone, not interested in dating me, or maybe he's thinking what I'm thinking right now and is growing a little impatient with the time we've wasted, who knows. He's never made any feelings towards me (if any) known at all. Hell, I don't even know his romantic history or even his body type.

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Is it correct to assume that people join dating sites to primarily find a relationship and put making friends there as merely a secondary goal? (or maybe something like friendship with view to relationship?)
If so, why the hell is he on a dating site if he's only there to make friends? Why doesn't he just log onto his FB or some s**t to do that?
Is it wrong for me to grow impatient/angry when I find my primary objective of getting into a relationship is not being achieved?
Is he just one of those proverbial time wasters that everyone talks about?

You can't say I have hidden intentions with him or that I'm disingenuous, as we met on a dating site. It might be a different story if I met him on a social networking site or even here on WP. When you hit the register button on a dating site signup page you're making your intentions for being there loud and clear; You are looking for something romantic (unless you specifically state otherwise in your profile).
So how on earth did I join a dating site and only end up with friends?? GAH so f*****g frustrated!! :evil:

I don't know whether to give him the flick or talk to him about this. Any advice?



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07 May 2011, 8:17 am

Yeah, talk to him. You can do it obliquely if you like; ask him why he signed up to a dating site, what he hopes to get out of it, things like that.

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Is it correct to assume that people join dating sites to primarily find a relationship and put making friends there as merely a secondary goal? (or maybe something like friendship with view to relationship?


Not entirely. Some people are just windowshopping, ego boosting, using it as to find friends, or to chat with people.

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If so, why the hell is he on a dating site if he's only there to make friends? Why doesn't he just log onto his FB or some sh** to do that?


*shrug* FB isn't really a venue for meeting new people, but rather people you already know.

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Is it wrong for me to grow impatient/angry when I find my primary objective of getting into a relationship is not being achieved?


No, but maybe it's not warranted. If you want something, you have to do something about it. Take responsibility. Tell people what you want. I suspect you are being passive, and so is he, and one of you has got to take some initiative.

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Is he just one of those proverbial time wasters that everyone talks about?


Maybe, I think you should find out, though.


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07 May 2011, 8:57 am

*edit: never mind. good luck blue_bean. 8)



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07 May 2011, 9:13 am

If you want clarification ask for it. You might have completely different ideas of what each others intentions are.

I met an aspie lass off that site awhile back and after our first meeting we had quite an honest conversation of what our intentions were and where we stood with each other. We both had never used these kind of sites before and so we met up thinking "ok what is the whole etique of meeting up on these sites" I was rather anxious the first time i met her and unbeknown to me at the time so was she. But once we ditched the whole "dating" concept and just thought of it as we are "friends" who share similair interests and enjoy spending time with each other it actually made our communication and time spent together so much less constrained and we actually know where we stand with each other.

We spent last monday going around the various parks of London smelling flowers and blossom and taking pictures of ducklings and birds. Before embarking on a drinking session before realising both of us had work in the morning, urgh the next day's recovery was not much fun :oops:

Depends, I don't like the feeling of expectation or pressure I'm rather something develops naturally, but i'm quite happy to settle for a platonic friendship with someone who shares similair interests to me. All that matters is we can hold each others attention with interest conversations we both have quite interesting careers we both share similair humour and interests in films, music and books and we both can introduce each other to new things we've never done before.

Sounds like all the ingredients for a decent friendship too. And maybe thats a better outcome then a relationship


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07 May 2011, 9:22 am

Have you talked on the phone?

Do you have access to his FB pages?

How is it that you don't know his body type? Surely you've exchanged pictures?

How is it that your discussing him visiting without having phone conversations at least once every couple days? Am I wrong to think you're not doing that?

I think you are completely right to be frustrated. He needs to show interest or get gone. If his interest has diminished because he sees you as 'made game' then he's a dweeb you needn't fancy. If it's because he sees you as not worth the effort, more's the reason to kick him to the curb. Frankly I don't buy the 'too busy' line, men are notorious for having energy for all sorts of things that fascinate them. If that story is true then he needs to stay in town to meet someone because he obviously doesn't have time for an out of town relationship. If he isn't invested now, when his interest should be piqued, then I'll wager you're setting yourself up for disappointment down the road, when his 'busy-ness' and your frustration become a frightfully unacceptable pattern.

You not only need to take responsibility, you need to take control. First off, he needs to find the time to get to know you by phone prior to visiting. Like I said, no effort now could mean no effort later. I'd also make sure one ground rule you make mandatory is that he does not stay with you when he comes up, the plan needs to be that he reserves a hotel room. Do not let him not get to know you and then turn around and welcome him into your home. Even if you and he spend more time commiserating prior to his visit, he still needs to reserve a hotel room, you can change the plan later if there is reason to do so. You need to push him into doing more work for the prize of knowing and befriending you, don't let him get off easy because being your friend is the foundation upon which any long term relationship will be built. The point I'm making is clear - you aren't a fish that can be reeled in using sonar guided technology and not an ounce of skill - he needs to get to know you or you're both failing to build a RELATIONSHIP.


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07 May 2011, 9:25 am

blue_bean wrote:
Is it correct to assume that people join dating sites to primarily find a relationship and put making friends there as merely a secondary goal? (or maybe something like friendship with view to relationship?)


In theory, yes. However, many of the people I met online moved on (and put me in the "friend zone") without telling me. In those cases, I never found out that I was no longer an option until they updated their Facebook status saying that they were now in a relationship (with someone else).



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07 May 2011, 9:43 am

blue_bean wrote:
What on earth is the correct procedure of things after then?

depends on the dating site, the people involved (and what they are looking for), and whether they are interested in each other. it's complicated.

blue_bean wrote:
Is it correct to assume that people join dating sites to primarily find a relationship and put making friends there as merely a secondary goal? (or maybe something like friendship with view to relationship?)
If so, why the hell is he on a dating site if he's only there to make friends? Why doesn't he just log onto his FB or some sh** to do that?

depends what members list as the reasons they want to meet people on their profile. i think on OKCupid it says "What I Am Looking For" or somesuch. people may list both friendship and relationship goals, and if they do list both types it would be quite easy to become "just friends".

the man yo are conversing with may already be dating someone else from OKCupid (or loooking for someone if his profile is still open).

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Is it wrong for me to grow impatient/angry when I find my primary objective of getting into a relationship is not being achieved?

nothing wrong with having all kind of feelings around this, but then it makes logical sense to fix the situation by communicating your wants. waiting for him to make a move has not worked. perhaps he was waiting for a sign from you or some kind of communication that you are interested.

but i am not sure from your post if you actually *are* interested in him. although you express that you are not certain of his intentions, i can't really tell what your intentions are with him either. simply keeping up communication with someone doesn't signal interest in the context of online dating.

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Is he just one of those proverbial time wasters that everyone talks about?

he may be holding you "in reserve" while he dates other people. or maybe he is confused about his feelings. but if he has been so reticent in communicating his real feelings and goals with you, then maybe he is not the person for you. other men might be more willing to be open and honest and firthright, and might be more willing to make the move you are waiting for. keep in mind the man has to know that you want it, and in online communication sometimes things have to be explicitly stated.


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07 May 2011, 10:18 am

blue_bean wrote:
Is it correct to assume that people join dating sites to primarily find a relationship . . . ?

Yes ... however, it sounds like both of you are using the mere fact that you met on a dating site to do all of the work for you. That just sort of gets you in the ballpark. It's going to take lots of additional effort to iron out what each of you wants out of this.

Six months of messages and texts?!? Honestly, that doesn't bode well for romance. :? You guys are going to be tired of each other before you've even met! Why don't you be the one to break the passive little cycle you're caught in and follow through on the invitation? Send him a message asking him to come visit (like you've been talking about) on X date. How 'bout next Saturday? If he can't make it, ask him to suggest an alternative date. If he can't do that, then move on. Who knows what he wants? And who cares -- if it's not what you want?



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07 May 2011, 10:28 am

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6 months and not even one flirty text?! I agree with Moog, I think you both might be too passive. Or it sounds like this guy has all the passion of a dead fish (if his intentions are romantic that is).


Maybe. I'm worried that he'll run for miles if I make any advances, or y'know, do anything remotely uncomfortable that would make ripples of drama in the water (oh I know where this hang up come from, hey). Something tells me he's a bit inexperienced so might not know how to proceed with things himself.

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Yeah, talk to him. You can do it obliquely if you like; ask him why he signed up to a dating site, what he hopes to get out of it, things like that.


Well I know he's had his profile there for at least 2 years. He has journal posts that date back to 2009.
I could write him a message asking him all this but alas, he has no time to fecking reply to them. Perhaps I can tell him he can reply to one question every few days or something.
Any suggestions for other questions I can ask?

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Not entirely. Some people are just windowshopping, ego boosting, using it as to find friends, or to chat with people.


So it ends up with someone primarily looking for "long term" meeting someone primarily looking for "penpals" and those people have the exact same "looking for" options selected in their profile. It's so misleading! I wish people would go into more detail about what they want in their profiles but they don't. I'd really like that so I could adjust my behavior towards them accordingly, but I guess it's that way so we have to communicate in order to find out what people's intent is. That's where communicatively ret*d people like me flounder, this predicament of mine being case in point :x

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*shrug* FB isn't really a venue for meeting new people, but rather people you already know.


Yes but it's primary purpose is social/friendship, so naturally it caters to people who might be primarily looking for friends and new contacts.
A dating site's purpose is well, dating. If you're on a dating site primarily looking for friends you should make this intention clear, or else everyone will assume by default that you're there for dating.

This is all moot now anyway. If he has no time to message me how is he gonna find time for anything more? This is also why I'm debating about not dating him and throwing him in the "acquaintance" pile (pile of people who I only talk to every now and then and try not to get too attached to). Neither my fault or his if that happens. He has no time thanks to a 60-70 hour working week and I'd never ask him to cut down his hours for my sake. That's how the cookie crumbles I guess.



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07 May 2011, 11:27 am

Ooops, CoalBogey I quoted your posts before you edited it, sorry :P

Dinosaw wrote:
Have you talked on the phone?

Do you have access to his FB pages?

How is it that you don't know his body type? Surely you've exchanged pictures?

How is it that your discussing him visiting without having phone conversations at least once every couple days? Am I wrong to think you're not doing that?

I think you are completely right to be frustrated. He needs to show interest or get gone. If his interest has diminished because he sees you as 'made game' then he's a dweeb you needn't fancy. If it's because he sees you as not worth the effort, more's the reason to kick him to the curb. Frankly I don't buy the 'too busy' line, men are notorious for having energy for all sorts of things that fascinate them. If that story is true then he needs to stay in town to meet someone because he obviously doesn't have time for an out of town relationship. If he isn't invested now, when his interest should be piqued, then I'll wager you're setting yourself up for disappointment down the road, when his 'busy-ness' and your frustration become a frightfully unacceptable pattern.

You not only need to take responsibility, you need to take control. First off, he needs to find the time to get to know you by phone prior to visiting. Like I said, no effort now could mean no effort later. I'd also make sure one ground rule you make mandatory is that he does not stay with you when he comes up, the plan needs to be that he reserves a hotel room. Do not let him not get to know you and then turn around and welcome him into your home. Even if you and he spend more time commiserating prior to his visit, he still needs to reserve a hotel room, you can change the plan later if there is reason to do so. You need to push him into doing more work for the prize of knowing and befriending you, don't let him get off easy because being your friend is the foundation upon which any long term relationship will be built. The point I'm making is clear - you aren't a fish that can be reeled in using sonar guided technology and not an ounce of skill - he needs to get to know you or you're both failing to build a RELATIONSHIP.


Yes, we have chatted on the phone a few times now. He says he's trying to get a free weekend to come visit. He's even picked out the motel.

I don't really use FB.

His profile states his ethnicity and body type as "undeclared". His pics suggest he's a little on the heavy side but that's fine with me (I actually like bigger solid blokes). The fact that he doesn't say much about it is a bit iffy though, like maybe he's really self conscious of his weight or something. Reminiscent of my first BF who used to rely solely on me to make him feel better about his body. I failed.

Yeah, we obviously really talk about things :?

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Six months of messages and texts?!? Honestly, that doesn't bode well for romance. :? You guys are going to be tired of each other before you've even met!


Me and my last boyfriend talked for 12 months before we got together. Then again I met him here on WP.

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but i am not sure from your post if you actually *are* interested in him. although you express that you are not certain of his intentions, i can't really tell what your intentions are with him either. simply keeping up communication with someone doesn't signal interest in the context of online dating.


I like him a lot. He's a smart geeky guy, really well spoken and upbeat about everything. I constantly check my phone to see if he sent me any texts., and I check the last online list on OKC several times per night to see if he's online. He used to check my profile lots (fappin' as Laz called it). I wondered if that was his way of showing interest? I don't know why I haven't shown my interest. Scared of coming across as an obsessed creep I think; I'm prone to people obsesions. I usually err on the side of caution rather than take huge friendship ending risks such as sending that one extra message per day :P



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07 May 2011, 12:08 pm

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Ooops, CoalBogey I quoted your posts before you edited it, sorry :P


Thanks for the apology, it's okay. I sounded like an insensitive jerk, I'm not in a good position to be giving anyone advice at the moment. :)



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Scared of coming across as an obsessed creep I think; I'm prone to people obsesions. I usually err on the side of caution rather than take huge friendship ending risks such as sending that one extra message per day


Lifes too short for caution sometimes, says the absolute hypocrit


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07 May 2011, 2:10 pm

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This is all moot now anyway. If he has no time to message me how is he gonna find time for anything more?


That's a pretty important point.


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07 May 2011, 3:55 pm

He sounds like he lives too far away, and unless one of you has the idea to move to the other person's town at some point in the future, what is the point?

You should look specifically within driving distance of where you live so you can have someone you can meet in person, and someone who you have a chance of seeing on a regular basis. Unless of course, they would consider moving for you or you would consider moving for them.

Oh, and I had a guy a number of years back who would text me and say "We must do lunch" like it was a date, and then when I would suggest something he would act all vague, like I was stalking him or something.

So I never got to meet him for lunch, even though he lived really close. But then I started going out with someone else and he started sending me all these texts wanting to meet up, WTF.

So what I am saying is that life is too short for messing around, if they arent putting any effort into their side of things, then simply ditch them. It is like the Pareto Principle, the 80/20 principle.

You need to find that group of guys who will make the effort, no matter where they live, and identify the ones who will mess you around and not give them any more of your time.


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24 May 2011, 10:34 pm

Some updates:

Turns out he has some sweetheart in the US somewhere and he's been saving up for months to go see her (since before we met). He doesn't know I know this yet.

Currently brainstorming the best ways to rip him from a**hole to ear :evil:



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24 May 2011, 10:40 pm

blue_bean wrote:
Some updates:

Turns out he has some sweetheart in the US somewhere and he's been saving up for months to go see her (since before we met). He doesn't know I know this yet.

Currently brainstorming the best ways to rip him from a**hole to ear :evil:

m*therf*cker. it unfortunately explains so much of why he was being such a... *insert worse curse word here*.

i think you need to teach internet sleuthing though, because that is some choice information you uncovered. colour me impressed.

i'm sorry it didn't work out properly though.

(((hugs)))


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