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09 Aug 2011, 2:01 am

Women will only talk to a guy if the guy starts and carries the conversation? As in if a man and a women were sitting at a table, if the man never says anything, nothing will be said. Yet it would almost always be considered that the man was the one without social skills even though neither of them made an effort. A woman wont ever seem to inquire about a man but if asked about themselves have no problem sustaining a conversation so long as the subject remains somewhat relating to them. Never once have i seen a woman start a conversation, yet even so they may be considered to have superior social skills then a guy that is not good a small talk.

Basically what I'm saying is, how come I'm the one that has to continually strain to talk about meaningless crap while the other party contributes practically no effort and is still not considered unsociable. Why is the woman never considered selfish/mean/awkward/whatever else bad they have to say when they don't contribute?

no offense to the ladies or anything like that, I don't mean to be condescending but doesn't it seem like there is a double standard?



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09 Aug 2011, 2:17 am

Some women are like that, some aren't. Having a vagina neither enhances nor hinders a woman's conversational skills.



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09 Aug 2011, 2:21 am

That is not even close to my experience.


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09 Aug 2011, 2:23 am

Aspinator wrote:
Some women are like that, some aren't. Having a vagina neither enhances nor hinders a woman's conversational skills.


surely it enhances the perceived skill, or at least lowers the bar for conversational skill level. must be the kind of women that hang around my crowd, I'm sure its different in different areas.



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09 Aug 2011, 2:29 am

Aspinator wrote:
Some women are like that, some aren't. Having a vagina neither enhances nor hinders a woman's conversational skills.

Prove it.

A vagina's hole is bigger and therefore has greater potential to make a sound. That sound is called queefing, men don't have an equivalent sound making hole. There is the anus, but women also have anuses. Women have an extra hole to make noise out of and therefore have better conversational skills simply by the merit of having an extra sound producing hole. Conversation just sounds like meaningless noise to me so it is logical that someone with three noise generating holes is a better conversationalist than someone with only two.


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09 Aug 2011, 2:45 am

GoatOnFire wrote:
Aspinator wrote:
Some women are like that, some aren't. Having a vagina neither enhances nor hinders a woman's conversational skills.

Prove it.

A vagina's hole is bigger and therefore has greater potential to make a sound. That sound is called queefing, men don't have an equivalent sound making hole. There is the anus, but women also have anuses. Women have an extra hole to make noise out of and therefore have better conversational skills simply by the merit of having an extra sound producing hole. Conversation just sounds like meaningless noise to me so it is logical that someone with three noise generating holes is a better conversationalist than someone with only two.


Weirdest thing I've heard all the day :D



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09 Aug 2011, 2:53 am

In the past when society was more gender polarized a woman was not supposed to solicit strange men. If she approached men she risked being seen as a woman of loose morals.

If you find that it's you who has to carry the conversation after beginning it, however, and she is making little to no effort to engage you, then she is likely not interested.



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09 Aug 2011, 3:17 am

BillyJoe wrote:
Women will only talk to a guy if the guy starts and carries the conversation? As in if a man and a women were sitting at a table, if the man never says anything, nothing will be said. Yet it would almost always be considered that the man was the one without social skills even though neither of them made an effort. A woman wont ever seem to inquire about a man but if asked about themselves have no problem sustaining a conversation so long as the subject remains somewhat relating to them. Never once have i seen a woman start a conversation, yet even so they may be considered to have superior social skills then a guy that is not good a small talk.

Basically what I'm saying is, how come I'm the one that has to continually strain to talk about meaningless crap while the other party contributes practically no effort and is still not considered unsociable. Why is the woman never considered selfish/mean/awkward/whatever else bad they have to say when they don't contribute?

no offense to the ladies or anything like that, I don't mean to be condescending but doesn't it seem like there is a double standard?


The reason women are said to have good social skills is probably because a woman would be able to start a conversation if she were to so choose while the man is the one who actually doesn't know how to do it.

But I agree it is unfair that women choose not to approach a men.



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09 Aug 2011, 3:22 am

Chronos wrote:
In the past when society was more gender polarized a woman was not supposed to solicit strange men. If she approached men she risked being seen as a woman of loose morals.

If you find that it's you who has to carry the conversation after beginning it, however, and she is making little to no effort to engage you, then she is likely not interested.


I understand that most of the time they don't want to talk to me, but at the same time i don't want to talk to them. allot of situations i am put in leave me stranded with a third party friend by myself, I basically have to talk with them or i get criticized for making it awkward. I just wonder why the other party seems to be okay with it being silent and awkward, probably because the blame will go to me?

I guess it depends allot on the situation, I'm normally fighting a losing battle whenever the need for me to talk to a woman arises.



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09 Aug 2011, 3:24 am

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That is not even close to my experience.


Same.
I've grown up with men who don't talk. So it seems like quite the joke to me. I find I have to make all the effort with conversation in my life. I don't think it's about being MALE or FEMALE, but about being ASPIE.



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09 Aug 2011, 3:29 am

BillyJoe wrote:
Women will only talk to a guy if the guy starts and carries the conversation?


Not from my experience.

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As in if a man and a women were sitting at a table, if the man never says anything, nothing will be said.


That's news to me.

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Yet it would almost always be considered that the man was the one without social skills even though neither of them made an effort.


No, it isn't.

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Never once have i seen a woman start a conversation, yet even so they may be considered to have superior social skills then a guy that is not good a small talk.


You've lived a sorry life by the sound of it. I don't believe you for a second though.

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Basically what I'm saying is, how come I'm the one that has to continually strain to talk about meaningless crap while the other party contributes practically no effort and is still not considered unsociable.


That's not a gender thing, it's an aspie thing.

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Why is the woman never considered selfish/mean/awkward/whatever else bad they have to say when they don't contribute?


Because clearly you have no idea. I've been singled out and critisised my whole life for it.

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no offense to the ladies or anything like that, I don't mean to be condescending but doesn't it seem like there is a double standard?


There is not a double standard. You just think there is, god knows why, probably because you're biased or you're only seeing what you want to see. Because it's completely WRONG.

Stop blaming your aspie problems on gender. It's not about gender.



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09 Aug 2011, 3:30 am

hale_bopp wrote:
OddFinn wrote:
That is not even close to my experience.


Same.
I've grown up with men who don't talk. So it seems like quite the joke to me. I find I have to make all the effort with conversation in my life. I don't think it's about being MALE or FEMALE, but about being ASPIE.


So aspies have to do all the work because the opposite sex just doesn't want to talk to them is what your getting at? that would make sense to me.



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09 Aug 2011, 3:32 am

BillyJoe wrote:
hale_bopp wrote:
OddFinn wrote:
That is not even close to my experience.


Same.
I've grown up with men who don't talk. So it seems like quite the joke to me. I find I have to make all the effort with conversation in my life. I don't think it's about being MALE or FEMALE, but about being ASPIE.


So aspies have to do all the work because the opposite sex just doesn't want to talk to them is what your getting at? that would make sense to me.


you don't have to attack me, I'm not trying to argue. This is my experience and its not a delusion, I have already said its likely the type of people i surround myself with.



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09 Aug 2011, 3:32 am

BillyJoe wrote:
hale_bopp wrote:
OddFinn wrote:
That is not even close to my experience.


Same.
I've grown up with men who don't talk. So it seems like quite the joke to me. I find I have to make all the effort with conversation in my life. I don't think it's about being MALE or FEMALE, but about being ASPIE.


So aspies have to do all the work because the opposite sex just doesn't want to talk to them is what your getting at? that would make sense to me.


Aspies have to do all the work because we don't have automatic social skills. We have to try and see what works. They know what works so they don't have to do anything.



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09 Aug 2011, 3:34 am

BillyJoe wrote:
BillyJoe wrote:
hale_bopp wrote:
OddFinn wrote:
That is not even close to my experience.


Same.
I've grown up with men who don't talk. So it seems like quite the joke to me. I find I have to make all the effort with conversation in my life. I don't think it's about being MALE or FEMALE, but about being ASPIE.


So aspies have to do all the work because the opposite sex just doesn't want to talk to them is what your getting at? that would make sense to me.


you don't have to attack me, I'm not trying to argue. This is my experience and its not a delusion, I have already said its likely the type of people i surround myself with.


Well if you're not trying to argue it would be a good idea not to come in here and blame/generalise an entire gender for something that's not even gender related. You said you've never seen a woman start a conversation. Is that really true? Does your mother not speak to you? Do women never speak to men? Or do you think this is the case because they just don't speak to you?



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09 Aug 2011, 3:35 am

I should mention that all the women that i ever see around are the skanks my shallow friends bring around, so consider this as well. i REALLY only hope that my views don't hold true with all women, but so far this has been my experience.