I have seen the error of my ways.

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08 Sep 2011, 9:01 am

I am now a Conscious Man.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_uRIMUBnvw[/youtube]



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08 Sep 2011, 9:16 am

I hate myself now!

I shall for ever more be ashamed to bear a penis... :(



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08 Sep 2011, 9:17 am

Grisha wrote:
I hate myself now!

I shall for ever more be ashamed to bear a penis... :(


Can I have it?



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08 Sep 2011, 9:40 am

Well, OK - but it will still be attached... :oops:

Just to clarify, I am completely, even militantly, in favor of gender equality and I believe there is plenty of work that still needs to be done.

But the suggestion that I am somehow complicit in the misogynist crimes of others who share my gender simply because I'm male is laughable...

Is this video actually satire? I hope I'm not having an Aspie Moment... :wink:



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08 Sep 2011, 10:10 am

I do believe these guys could hug a home intruder or corporate competitor to death. 8O


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08 Sep 2011, 11:10 am

I have no problem, being non-racist, expressing regret that because of my skin color I'm privileged due to centuries of racial oppression.
I don't see why a non-sexist male shouldn't be able to do the same.


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08 Sep 2011, 11:58 am

That video made me giggle, then frown in boredom. :?


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08 Sep 2011, 12:39 pm

I am sure whether or not this is a parody, the intention in posting it was such.

However, many valid points points were made although I am not sure whether or not I can agree with everything said.

The posts made by the OP seem to have an agenda based upon a very naive and simplistic philosophy. My question is this - is daring to admit past transgressions "alpha" or "beta". I am not a believer in said philosophy but to me, if that philosophy were true, only a "beta" would be too afraid to own up to past mistakes. An "alpha" would still feel secure despite admitting any mistakes.

I urge you to rethink this philosophy. If there are errors in my interpretation I welcome correction.



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08 Sep 2011, 12:51 pm

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I am sure whether or not this is a parody, the intention in posting it was such.

However, many valid points points were made although I am not sure whether or not I can agree with everything said.

The posts made by the OP seem to have an agenda based upon a very naive and simplistic philosophy. My question is this - is daring to admit past transgressions "alpha" or "beta". I am not a believer in said philosophy but to me, if that philosophy were true, only a "beta" would be too afraid to own up to past mistakes. An "alpha" would still feel secure despite admitting any mistakes.

I urge you to rethink this philosophy. If there are errors in my interpretation I welcome correction.


There was no oppression, transgressions were minor. Women were and still are to an extent the most privileged beings ever to walk this planet. The feminist movement made up a bunch of lies and went and ruined it for the majority of them which is why female unhappiness is endemic in the west. Women were happier back when men "oppressed" them. Women are happier in hardcore Islamic nations today.

Even if none of that were true, apologising for something you personally had no hand in is ridiculous.



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08 Sep 2011, 12:55 pm

lilypadfad wrote:
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I am sure whether or not this is a parody, the intention in posting it was such.

However, many valid points points were made although I am not sure whether or not I can agree with everything said.

The posts made by the OP seem to have an agenda based upon a very naive and simplistic philosophy. My question is this - is daring to admit past transgressions "alpha" or "beta". I am not a believer in said philosophy but to me, if that philosophy were true, only a "beta" would be too afraid to own up to past mistakes. An "alpha" would still feel secure despite admitting any mistakes.

I urge you to rethink this philosophy. If there are errors in my interpretation I welcome correction.


There was no oppression, transgressions were minor. Women were and still are to an extent the most privileged beings ever to walk this planet. The feminist movement made up a bunch of lies and went and ruined it for the majority of them which is why female unhappiness is endemic in the west. Women were happier back when men "oppressed" them. Women are happier in hardcore Islamic nations today.


Even if none of that were true, apologising for something you personally had no hand in is ridiculous.

This is akin to saying the Earth is flat.


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08 Sep 2011, 12:56 pm

Neotokyomushroom wrote:
I urge you to rethink this philosophy. If there are errors in my interpretation I welcome correction.

Lol, but he's a Conscious Man now. Why stand in the way of that?

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There was no oppression, transgressions were minor. Women were and still are to an extent the most privileged beings ever to walk this planet. The feminist movement made up a bunch of lies and went and ruined it for the majority of them which is why female unhappiness is endemic in the west. Women were happier back when men "oppressed" them. Women are happier in hardcore Islamic nations today.

Even if none of that were true, apologising for something you personally had no hand in is ridiculous.

The problem lies in that I think most of us want an equal and would be bored to tears with someone who's that obsequious. Caliphate would suck for a whole host of other reasons.

Agreed that we have a problem now where evolutionary wiring causes a mismatch a mismatch of wants (what they say they want vs. their resulting behavior) but, when you have a world filled with bachelors and old maids and no one wants to like that anymore we may eventually be able to beat the ape in us and do what makes sense.


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08 Sep 2011, 1:07 pm

Neotokyomushroom wrote:
I am sure whether or not this is a parody, the intention in posting it was such.

However, many valid points points were made although I am not sure whether or not I can agree with everything said.

The posts made by the OP seem to have an agenda based upon a very naive and simplistic philosophy. My question is this - is daring to admit past transgressions "alpha" or "beta". I am not a believer in said philosophy but to me, if that philosophy were true, only a "beta" would be too afraid to own up to past mistakes. An "alpha" would still feel secure despite admitting any mistakes.

I urge you to rethink this philosophy. If there are errors in my interpretation I welcome correction.


I wasn't going to get pulled under the bridge for feeding time with this thread, but your post makes a good point. The original post, to me, reeks of a 'beta' desperate to be seen as an 'alpha'. The faux-alpha give away is exactly what you say -- a true 'alpha' would have no need to post such.

A friend of mine, a 'beta', tried to convince me of this 'alpha/beta' philosophy, and further tried to convince me that I was a 'beta' like him. Before my diagnosis, his reasoning made a certain amount of sense to me, but I never wholly bought it. When I began therapy, my therapist shot down the 'alpha/beta' pseudo-psychology straight away. And then when I got diagnosed with AS, I realized if anything, if I were to believe this philosophy, I was an 'alpha' with Asperger's.

But this alpha/beta pseudo-psychology is nothing more than foundation, brick and mortar, for subsequent victimization mentality associated with it. I guess it's more comforting to believe that one might have a genetic predisposition to 'beta', than to ignore such claptrap and admit one needs to improve oneself.



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08 Sep 2011, 1:10 pm

LOL @ viewing the world through PUA bullshittery ^ :lol: :lol: :lol:


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08 Sep 2011, 1:11 pm

I possibly read a message into the posting of this video that wasn't there. Any overreaching assumptions of my own, I apologise for.

However there is still a gender imbalance in the favour of males (in my opinion), so I see nothing wrong at all with the admittance of that. People with differing or opposite opinions can likely be swayed the same amount I can (not much at all).

I feel we just have differing opinions on this. I have no reputable studies that comment on the satisfaction of people in differing eras and cultures, however I would be interested to read them if anyone can post some (analysis would also be helpful as far more has changed than feminism).



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08 Sep 2011, 1:11 pm

lilypadfad wrote:
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I am sure whether or not this is a parody, the intention in posting it was such.

However, many valid points points were made although I am not sure whether or not I can agree with everything said.

The posts made by the OP seem to have an agenda based upon a very naive and simplistic philosophy. My question is this - is daring to admit past transgressions "alpha" or "beta". I am not a believer in said philosophy but to me, if that philosophy were true, only a "beta" would be too afraid to own up to past mistakes. An "alpha" would still feel secure despite admitting any mistakes.

I urge you to rethink this philosophy. If there are errors in my interpretation I welcome correction.


There was no oppression, transgressions were minor. Women were and still are to an extent the most privileged beings ever to walk this planet. The feminist movement made up a bunch of lies and went and ruined it for the majority of them which is why female unhappiness is endemic in the west. Women were happier back when men "oppressed" them. Women are happier in hardcore Islamic nations today.

Even if none of that were true, apologising for something you personally had no hand in is ridiculous.


What the feminist movement turned into was over those few very loud vocal minorities that got the most attention in the press because the press in general has frowned on equality movements. The best way to ruin movements is to hijack them and change the face value into something ugly.

I find myself correcting women I've met who declare in order to be equal you have to dress like a male and act like a male. I am very feminine on the outside and I have feminine emotions but I have a masculine mind. This throws people off alot.

Back in the old days women rebelled by wearing makeup because the males didn't want the women looking too pretty. Now some feminists are trying to make it seem that if you wear makeup you aren't a feminist. So there has been a distortion.

The bottom line is really. We're human beings. Let us vote. Show us some respect. Quit objectifying us.

Back in the day women were not allowed to take credit for inventions. The patent had to go to their husband. These changes that occurred were necessary. It's not right that people are oppressed and not given chances to show what their brains can do based on gender, race, being wired different even though you don't go around hurting others or stealing and not having the typical cookie cutter personality.

We're humans. We are still evolving. How I will know humans are really evolved is when they stop insisting they have the right to oppress and hurt others over religion and because animals or insects do it.

Along with religion there are distorters who make religion seem down right evil. People who value control of others and attention are usually the ones who are doing this.

There are the oppressors and the oppressors friends the distorters. Remember the basis of the movements and there is the truth however when movements are twisted others are brainwashed into erasing the truth to replace the values instilled by the truth twisters in which those who allow such changes to occur become the twisted version of that reality.

I am a feminist. I get bashed alot for declaring that BUT I am not this twisted militant feminist that wishes to compete with men by becoming a man. I celebrate femininity and the nurturing aspects of femininity.

When society declares the cream of the crop based off of gender you get female infantcide.



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08 Sep 2011, 1:18 pm

I'm a feminist, but I'm still pretty and care for babes, so don't feel threatened!

~smooths any ruffled feathers~


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