Why do people say "just focus on something else"?

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19 Jan 2012, 8:24 am

I feel as though that isn't really addressing the problem, that being the fact that i am unbearably lonely. I involuntarily think about my status all the time, no matter what i'm doing. Whenever I see a couple (and there's a lot of them out there), it triggers a loneliness attack. I can't stop it, and distracting myself doesn't work. I just want to be loved, so that I don't have to feel this way anymore...



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19 Jan 2012, 8:30 am

People say things like this in a sincere attempt to help you, I don't think they really believe it themselves.

I tend to find the fact that they want to help to be far more comforting than the actual "advice"...



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19 Jan 2012, 9:50 am

Its the same thing they'd probably say if you were complaining often about there being poverty, war, or dictators in the world. Like these things - whether or not you'll ever be loved, unless you have loads of room for self-improvement, is really out of your hands and theirs as well. Its really them admitting as well that they'd agree you have no control over it.

ToadOfSteel wrote:
I involuntarily think about my status all the time, no matter what i'm doing. Whenever I see a couple (and there's a lot of them out there), it triggers a loneliness attack. I can't stop it, and distracting myself doesn't work. I just want to be loved, so that I don't have to feel this way anymore...


The only thing I really can say is hold on, by the time your single in your early thirties that nagging hunger for a relationship won't be nearly as bad. I was pretty close to the same way whene I was younger, whether or not I was willing to admit it, but when I look back it really came from lies and misinformation about humanity and the world that had been shoved down my throat all these years and I still expected a much better and much more merit-based world than what's anywhere near realistic.

Also - if you have several good run-ins of getting yes's and find out that them not being interested is only half the problem or that you're as tough a customer as they are with you; you end up forced to realize that in equal parts they'll have as hard a time coming through for you as you will coming through for them.


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19 Jan 2012, 10:21 am

I do feel this way at times - that some people just give total BS excuses as advice. Not that I'd really blame them, though, as it seems like a sort of last resort, if anything. I've talked to some others in life that I felt just complain all the time and it gets so tiring and frustrating, and only come to realize it's how I've been a lot of times in the past. It's no wonder people would tell me not to worry about it or tell me everything will be ok and just avoid me altogether.

So since then I've learned to be a bit more selective with who I talk to. Sure, a place like this might be good to vent, but if I wanted any real advice(not saying any of it here is necessarily worthless), I have close friends to rely on, but I also give back and realize life is not just about me or my problems alone. There is no "main character". It's good to strive for things that you want in life, but not at the expense of treating others badly.

The only advice I could give you would be to focus on bettering yourself. Other than that, it's really just trial and error. Not everyone is going to like you regardless of who you are, but at least you'll find out who is and is not right for you. My own personal philosophy is to be as friendly and open as possible until given a reason not to be. Even then, there wouldn't be much reason to be rude, but rather to walk away fro anyone you'd rather not deal with anyway.


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19 Jan 2012, 10:34 am

When people say "just focus on something else" they actually mean "stop bothering us about it, we don't care".



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19 Jan 2012, 10:40 am

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
Its the same thing they'd probably say if you were complaining often about there being poverty, war, or dictators in the world. Like these things - whether or not you'll ever be loved, unless you have loads of room for self-improvement, is really out of your hands and theirs as well. Its really them admitting as well that they'd agree you have no control over it.

ToadOfSteel wrote:
I involuntarily think about my status all the time, no matter what i'm doing. Whenever I see a couple (and there's a lot of them out there), it triggers a loneliness attack. I can't stop it, and distracting myself doesn't work. I just want to be loved, so that I don't have to feel this way anymore...


The only thing I really can say is hold on, by the time your single in your early thirties that nagging hunger for a relationship won't be nearly as bad. I was pretty close to the same way whene I was younger, whether or not I was willing to admit it, but when I look back it really came from lies and misinformation about humanity and the world that had been shoved down my throat all these years and I still expected a much better and much more merit-based world than what's anywhere near realistic.

Also - if you have several good run-ins of getting yes's and find out that them not being interested is only half the problem or that you're as tough a customer as they are with you; you end up forced to realize that in equal parts they'll have as hard a time coming through for you as you will coming through for them.

^^^this.

also, OP... what it comes down to is: if there is truly a possibility that you will be single for life, would you rather be single and bitter/unhappy or single and content/happy?


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19 Jan 2012, 10:53 am

Uprising wrote:
When people say "just focus on something else" they actually mean "stop bothering us about it, we don't care".


Not necessarily.

For me, it's very simple. When you have a road block in one sphere of life, you are faced with a few options, of which two are generally better than the others.

1. Go down another road
2. Make constructive and systematic attempts to get past the barrier

Easier said than done though. Some people have a much greater need and/or desire for relationships than others.


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19 Jan 2012, 12:03 pm

Theres this "thing" that makes us unable to see a solution when we´ve been focusing on the same thing for too long.

Its applied on almost every problem that you may be stuck with from problems with programming to everyday situations that seem to have no solution. Just take a break and try to see if you can sort it afterwards.



Im not really sure how it works but you´ll find that you may start to notice other little things once youve stopped obsessing about this problem of yours and you´ll be able to sort out the problem in a quickly manner.


You are questioning how does this apply to the world of dating?. Its quite simple actually:


- I have several fears around suitable females(What if she thinks Im a joke/what if I say x and she thinks Im a creep...) and this sort of thing usually make me unable to approach any female.
I just spent two days studying with a very nice class mate I was barely familiar with just to prove myself that I could do it and there was nothing wrong with asking. I saw her asking a male class mate if he was going to study and since he had other plans I asked if she would mind if I joined her(lame jokes about the help of moral support...)
That day ended with her asking to add me on fb and setting a study for today.

Why did this happen?.
Because I have set the whole dating aside and Im just trying to be comfortable with myself at the moment. I had no need to worry about her questioning my intentions (because I had none) and I could just be myself.


How is this going to help me in any way?

Hopefully it´ll show that my fear about rejection... is irational and I should just try to be myself at all times. Im also starting to get comfortable around females again which is also important when it comes to dating.


Will something like this sort out your problems?
I cant say it will but, can you prove that it wont? Have you given this sort of thing a fair chance before dismissing it because its not what you want to hear?...
Finding a partner usually requires being open to every possibility, not ruling anything out until you cant say for sure that it wont work out.


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19 Jan 2012, 12:25 pm

What they mean is develop some meaning in your life.

When the approval of others is all that matters to you then there is something wrong - you need therapy and guidance from someone who lives near you.



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19 Jan 2012, 1:14 pm

ToadOfSteel wrote:
I feel as though that isn't really addressing the problem, that being the fact that i am unbearably lonely. I involuntarily think about my status all the time, no matter what i'm doing. Whenever I see a couple (and there's a lot of them out there), it triggers a loneliness attack. I can't stop it, and distracting myself doesn't work. I just want to be loved, so that I don't have to feel this way anymore...


Well then don't distract yourself, maybe get out and try and meet people.......I realize that can be so much easier said than done but really the only thing It seems you can do is either try to focus on something else(which you already said is not helping.) or maybe try and change your status if at all possible. If you're not too good at going out and talking to people there are various internet websites that can take care of that part for you.


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19 Jan 2012, 1:35 pm

I can still remember a few of the intensely lonely episodes from my twenties. Very unpleasant. It was like I was seeing something far away that I wanted and didnt have the first idea of how to get it.

You have two options. One, use the intensity of the feeling to drive you to action. Two, wait for it to pass and / or another distraction to come along. Ive tried both at different times. My only advice would be that you should be open to both. Sometimes feeling lonely or horny can be a great motivator to do something you wouldnt normally do (something legal. :lol: ).



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19 Jan 2012, 2:13 pm

Uprising wrote:
When people say "just focus on something else" they actually mean "stop bothering us about it, we don't care".

This is my views on it. Just a nice way of saying "give up and leave us alone already"



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19 Jan 2012, 3:31 pm

I think it can be all of those things some want you to go away now others do not really know what to say but want you do know they care others think it will help others don't believe it will but hope there wrong

others do not really understand



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19 Jan 2012, 3:39 pm

ToadOfSteel wrote:
I feel as though that isn't really addressing the problem, that being the fact that i am unbearably lonely. I involuntarily think about my status all the time, no matter what i'm doing. Whenever I see a couple (and there's a lot of them out there), it triggers a loneliness attack. I can't stop it, and distracting myself doesn't work. I just want to be loved, so that I don't have to feel this way anymore...


Now I just want to hug you until your brains ooze out of your ears. Though I may not be your type! It's the paradox of the lonely - people don't want to spend time with lonely people, even if they're lonely themselves. The only way around it is to stop feeling lonely and become "interesting". Being solitary is not the same as being lonely. I'd probably go mad if I didn't have a little time to myself every day.

"Focus on something else" is almost as annoying to me as "calm down". In fact, if people tell me to calm down it makes me angrier, even if I'm already calm. It's just such ****ing useless advice. You may as well tell poor people that they need to find some money. Stop the presses! We can help the starving in Africa by telling them they need to eat something!!

...but, that said, "focus on something else" is actually a very effective way to handle problems - IF you can do it. I do find it helps a lot with my depression attacks. On the other hand, in times of extreme stress it is pretty much impossible to focus on something other than the problem in hand. I usually lose the power of speech, never mind concentration.



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19 Jan 2012, 6:34 pm

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My own personal philosophy is to be as friendly and open as possible until given a reason not to be. Even then, there wouldn't be much reason to be rude, but rather to walk away fro anyone you'd rather not deal with anyway.
This is generally what i try to be with other people. It makes a lot of people nice to me, but it doesn't make anyone really want to get to know me better...

hyperlexian wrote:
also, OP... what it comes down to is: if there is truly a possibility that you will be single for life, would you rather be single and bitter/unhappy or single and content/happy?

As I said, the recall is involuntary. I can't make the choice between happy/unhappy when all i hear is a constant "you're not good enough" vibe from myself.

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What they mean is develop some meaning in your life.

When the approval of others is all that matters to you then there is something wrong - you need therapy and guidance from someone who lives near you.
That's something that my therapist has been trying to work on... but still it automatically happens and I can't stop it. I need some kind of validation from others. It doesn't have to be huge crowds of people, but the type of support i need is much more emotionally intimate that the only things that can provide it are a relationship (which i can't get) or close family members (which don't really care about me on that level anymore).

Thom_Fuleri wrote:
Now I just want to hug you until your brains ooze out of your ears. Though I may not be your type! It's the paradox of the lonely - people don't want to spend time with lonely people, even if they're lonely themselves. The only way around it is to stop feeling lonely and become "interesting". Being solitary is not the same as being lonely. I'd probably go mad if I didn't have a little time to myself every day.

Unfortunately, i'm straight... i could only have this emotional intimacy with a woman that i was in a relationship with.



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19 Jan 2012, 7:44 pm

Thom_Fuleri wrote:
It's the paradox of the lonely - people don't want to spend time with lonely people, even if they're lonely themselves.

NOT for me. I'm very lonely & I'd rather be around other people who are lonely. I find they are a lot more relatable & sympathetic. I do not get that typical useless feel good support form them that was mentioned in this post tittle. I would LOVE to meet a lonely woman because she'd be more likely to give me a chance & we could have a symbiotic relationship where we help each other feel less lonely & we might could relate to why the other is lonely & be more supportive with each other


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