Double standards in society?(offtopic discussion earlier thr

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Mod note this is a split from why do we have to do all the work not a thread deliberately started by the user.
The discussion went a bit offtopic and members complained so we started a new thread.
Hope its not too bad.

Women do plenty of "work" and put up with just as much nonsense in the dating/love scene.

It's just that you choose not to acknowledge what women have to do/put up with as "work."

**This is the point in the conversation where a bunch of humans with penises rush in to lecture me on what it's like to be a human with a vagina and how "easy" everything is. Bring it on.**

^ You want to see penises?? o_O

Considering ive heard it from humans with vaginas that it is easier I shall continue holding my beliefs. But think whatever makes you feel better/sleep soundly at night.

Considering I've heard it from humans with vaginas that it's just as hard, I'll continue holding onto my beliefs. Seeing as I have 29 years worth of experience of actually having a vagina, I'll continue holding onto my beliefs.

But if curling up with your victimhood at night helps you sleep better, I won't stand in your way.

Oh, please do explain. Because I've never once seen any girl approach any guy, been rejected publicly, delibrately been rejected and ridculed, humiliated by an approach, been the target of homosexual chants because she was rejected by a guy, or beaten up for trying an approach with a guy who actually wasn't single by his girlfriend and friends but I have seen, heard, read & experienced (Not all of them!) those examples by guys who actually tried.

Obviously, I've switched the genders round to fit the answers you're about to give...

I have.

Next question.

I've also never seen a woman beat the s**t out of a guy, smash everything in his apartment, and then physically throw him down the stairs. I've seen it happen to girls, though.

Are we done with "dueling anecdotes" yet?

And because you'e never seen it it's not real.
I've never seen a billion dollars, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

And don't forget the dogma of the L&D forum:

Everything men experience is automatically harder than anything women experience.

Don't worry, we'll soon be reminded.

(edited due to the splitting off from the original thread)

While initially it may seem like one party's doing more work than the other, I'm pretty sure it evens out at some point Saying guys do all the work all the time would mean that none of the relationships you see are real, and I'm pretty sure that isn't the case (there might be a small population that is fake, but I wouldn't say all are)...

Last edited by AScomposer13413 on 28 May 2012, 7:24 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Well ... J-Greens does have a point in terms of that particular thing ... its true, all those things do happen. It's risky business for men, doing the approaching. All the moreso I think for aspie men, because of the difficulty in properly assessing social rules and communicating.

Mind you, there is a different set of risks that women have to deal with - they're different but I'd say the stakes are higher. Right off the bat and completely outside of culture - down to plain biology - a woman can get pregnant, and a man can't. Besides all the more common complications there, she can die from childbirth or abortion. Then there's the higher risk of (and higher physical damage from) domestic violence, all sorts of other things.

And I've seen similar things happen to females.

There's all sorts of terrible nasty things that can happen to individuals in the Love Game, but pretending to know the extent of someone's difficulties in just about any area of life based on nothing more than the shape of their genitals is, at best, stupid, and, at worst, dehumanizing.



I'm not actually keeping score.

Thankfully I haven't had to do all that in the past. Guess it depends on person/culture. Thankfull the culture I am in is more...egalitarian re. that. Arguably biased in favor of the male

EDIT: no i to not habitually visit bars or clubs.

And there are battered men too, but it's a question of frequency. I'd have to say that when it comes to approaching, the risks seem somewhat higher for men; overall risks I think are either equal or higher for women, but in that one particular activity, there is more risk for men, I think.



I'm not talking about internal/emotional risks, but quite tangible and sometimes very serious consequences. A man who doesn't understands the boundaries of what's acceptable and what's not runs a good risk of legal repercussions, for instance. Technically women run the same risk but it seems there is more latitude simply because it's not seen as threatening to the same degree and there's less worry about situations that are not consensual. If a woman grabs a guy's ass on a bus, either it'll be taken as playfulness or at worst, everyone around will be shocked and revolted and she'll be really embarrassed. If a guy does it, the risk of being arrested or attacked by bystanders is signifigantly higher (although he too, might suffer no consequence - but if he does, the chance of severe consequences is higher).

There's a reason of course - society is more anxious about men who don't know (or don't care) what's acceptable and what's not when approaching women, than it is about women with the same problem, because the main concern here is that things might escalate to violence and rape. So it's a reasonable difference in caution. But it does exist, and there's far more to it than just subjective experiences of being humiliated or rejected.

This is easily falsifiable - all that's needed is a set of situations and two groups, a control group who doesn't know the genders involved, and the other group that does, and gauge the difference in their reactions to the situations. I bet it's even been done, numerous times.

Funny. Ive seen cases of women abusing men. Isn't Men's Rights an awesome concept?

http://jezebel.com/5173723/the-double+s ... -ever-okay
http://www.news.com.au/national/hidden- ... 5869842575
http://www.fact.on.ca/Info/dom/lupri05.htm
http://storify.com/AllyFogg/violence-co ... #publicize
http://glennsacks.com/blog/?page_id=1334
http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comm ... years_she/

And...they get off easier for it if they get convicted for it too!
http://works.bepress.com/gang_lee/5/

Sure but again it's a question of frequency, severity, and societal problems. There really isn't any great epidemic of men sent to the hospital with broken bones by their wives, and never has been. It happens - that's about all you can say though. It's not really a mass phenomena. The reason it's highlighted lately is mostly just a "Me too!" thing, because there are a few cases to be found, and everyone seems to feel hard done by when it comes to the opposite gender and will grab whatever rhetorical weapon is at hand to throw at them.