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12 Jun 2012, 4:06 am

"Maybe the worst Vice born in the Social Networking (and forums, and online dating, and IM...etc) Era is turning “ Ignoring “ into a Virtue: the minimum value of Respect shown to a Human being is acknowledging his Presence. It is Indifference, not Hate, that is demeaning."


Think about it.



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12 Jun 2012, 4:19 am

Okay, so why should any of these people care whether they're being demeaning? What if they enjoy being demeaning?



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12 Jun 2012, 4:22 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Think about it.


Also: Why should people think about it? Why should they care enough to?



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12 Jun 2012, 4:23 am

You don't owe any stranger on the internet your attention or time. Whether or not they feel disrespected in between them and their ego.


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12 Jun 2012, 4:25 am

DogsWithoutHorses wrote:
You don't owe any stranger on the internet your attention or time. Whether or not they feel disrespected in between them and their ego.


Really, you don't owe anyone in person your time, either; it's just that in person people have much simpler ways of demanding your time whether you want to give it to them or not.

Remember: force always trumps.



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12 Jun 2012, 4:27 am

Haters in the house tonight!



I agree that ignoring people has gone too far. I understand if you hate them to the point that ignoring them is better than listening to them but outright ignoring them when youve not seen them before is degrading. Especially when its someone looking for a friend/partner.



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12 Jun 2012, 4:48 am

ialdabaoth wrote:
DogsWithoutHorses wrote:
You don't owe any stranger on the internet your attention or time. Whether or not they feel disrespected is between them and their ego.


Really, you don't owe anyone in person your time, either; it's just that in person people have much simpler ways of demanding your time whether you want to give it to them or not.

Remember: force always trumps.


I agree with you (if I'm correctly interpreting your statement) 100%
It's much harder to ignore the guy on the subway than the message in your inbox, even if both are making very similar demands on your attention.
Lack of attention, in the implied circumstances (dating, given the location of the post) isn't causing a loss, it's denying a gain, which is neutral.
If you feel like you've lost something (degraded) it's because you were expecting (felt entitled to) a gain.
When people don't give you what you feel you're entitled to, the issue is with the entitlement not with the other person.


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12 Jun 2012, 4:52 am

DogsWithoutHorses wrote:
ialdabaoth wrote:
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You don't owe any stranger on the internet your attention or time. Whether or not they feel disrespected is between them and their ego.


Really, you don't owe anyone in person your time, either; it's just that in person people have much simpler ways of demanding your time whether you want to give it to them or not.

Remember: force always trumps.


I agree with you (if I'm correctly interpreting your statement) 100%
It's much harder to ignore the guy on the subway than the message in your inbox, even if both are making very similar demands on your attention.
Lack of attention, in the implied circumstances (dating, given the location of the post) isn't causing a loss, it's denying a gain, which is neutral.
If you feel like you've lost something (degraded) it's because you were expecting (felt entitled to) a gain.
When people don't give you what you feel you're entitled to, the issue is with the entitlement not with the other person.


Unless you can MAKE the issue be with the other person. Power is neat like that.



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12 Jun 2012, 4:52 am

I doesnt see why turning ignoring something you dont like into a virtue should be seen as a bad thing.

I had some friends in my first years at college and for some reason things didnt work out(turned into some sort of unhealthy friendship I decided to leave before things got too bad).
People noticed this and whenever someone asked me what happened I just made up some sort of joke excuse on the spot "I needed more time to focus on my passion for (insert lame hobby here) I dont have time for friendships right now "(you say this with the right tone and no one will take you seriously unless they are looking for an excuse to criticize you which is something I cant stop)

After a day I told them that I had already said everything I was going to say on the subject whenever someone asked and I havent talked with them since then for several years.

Considering similar situations in the past its looking like the best approach so far.



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12 Jun 2012, 5:03 am

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I doesnt see why turning ignoring something you dont like into a virtue should be seen as a bad thing.

I had some friends in my first years at college and for some reason things didnt work out(turned into some sort of unhealthy friendship I decided to leave before things got too bad).
People noticed this and whenever someone asked me what happened I just made up some sort of joke excuse on the spot "I needed more time to focus on my passion for (insert lame hobby here) I dont have time for friendships right now "(you say this with the right tone and no one will take you seriously unless they are looking for an excuse to criticize you which is something I cant stop)

After a day I told them that I had already said everything I was going to say on the subject whenever someone asked and I havent talked with them since then for several years.

Considering similar situations in the past its looking like the best approach so far.

as i said, you handled that like an adult. You saw a bad situation with someone you knew and withdrew from it. This is not what boo talks about. its when you try to talk to someone and instead of politely rejecting they simply ignore your existence as if you're not even human anymore. You did nothing but try to talk to them, but you're aparently not good enough to even get a negative response. I understand if you reject them and they keep trying you can ignore them. But on the first try? Get off your pedestal before i drop you off it.



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12 Jun 2012, 5:07 am

ialdabaoth wrote:
DogsWithoutHorses wrote:
ialdabaoth wrote:
DogsWithoutHorses wrote:
You don't owe any stranger on the internet your attention or time. Whether or not they feel disrespected is between them and their ego.


Really, you don't owe anyone in person your time, either; it's just that in person people have much simpler ways of demanding your time whether you want to give it to them or not.

Remember: force always trumps.


I agree with you (if I'm correctly interpreting your statement) 100%
It's much harder to ignore the guy on the subway than the message in your inbox, even if both are making very similar demands on your attention.
Lack of attention, in the implied circumstances (dating, given the location of the post) isn't causing a loss, it's denying a gain, which is neutral.
If you feel like you've lost something (degraded) it's because you were expecting (felt entitled to) a gain.
When people don't give you what you feel you're entitled to, the issue is with the entitlement not with the other person.


Unless you can MAKE the issue be with the other person. Power is neat like that.


Like for example, by vilifying people for not giving you what you want, or threatening violence for noncompliance?


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12 Jun 2012, 5:09 am

DogsWithoutHorses wrote:
ialdabaoth wrote:
Unless you can MAKE the issue be with the other person. Power is neat like that.


Like for example, by vilifying people for not giving you what you want, or threatening violence for noncompliance?


Exactly. You HAVE watched the news at some point in your life? Or read a history book? Or talked to a police officer? Or had parents?

Vilifying people for not giving you what you want and threatening violence for noncompliance are literally what make the world go round.



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12 Jun 2012, 5:13 am

ialdabaoth wrote:
DogsWithoutHorses wrote:
ialdabaoth wrote:
Unless you can MAKE the issue be with the other person. Power is neat like that.


Like for example, by vilifying people for not giving you what you want, or threatening violence for noncompliance?


Exactly. You HAVE watched the news at some point in your life? Or read a history book? Or talked to a police officer? Or had parents?

Vilifying people for not giving you what you want and threatening violence for noncompliance are literally what make the world go round.


I don't disagree.


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12 Jun 2012, 5:15 am

DogsWithoutHorses wrote:
ialdabaoth wrote:
DogsWithoutHorses wrote:
ialdabaoth wrote:
Unless you can MAKE the issue be with the other person. Power is neat like that.


Like for example, by vilifying people for not giving you what you want, or threatening violence for noncompliance?


Exactly. You HAVE watched the news at some point in your life? Or read a history book? Or talked to a police officer? Or had parents?

Vilifying people for not giving you what you want and threatening violence for noncompliance are literally what make the world go round.


I don't disagree.


Good, because otherwise someone would have to hurt you. :)



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12 Jun 2012, 5:52 am

MXH wrote:
spongy wrote:
I doesnt see why turning ignoring something you dont like into a virtue should be seen as a bad thing.

I had some friends in my first years at college and for some reason things didnt work out(turned into some sort of unhealthy friendship I decided to leave before things got too bad).
People noticed this and whenever someone asked me what happened I just made up some sort of joke excuse on the spot "I needed more time to focus on my passion for (insert lame hobby here) I dont have time for friendships right now "(you say this with the right tone and no one will take you seriously unless they are looking for an excuse to criticize you which is something I cant stop)

After a day I told them that I had already said everything I was going to say on the subject whenever someone asked and I havent talked with them since then for several years.

Considering similar situations in the past its looking like the best approach so far.

as i said, you handled that like an adult. You saw a bad situation with someone you knew and withdrew from it. This is not what boo talks about. its when you try to talk to someone and instead of politely rejecting they simply ignore your existence as if you're not even human anymore. You did nothing but try to talk to them, but you're aparently not good enough to even get a negative response. I understand if you reject them and they keep trying you can ignore them. But on the first try? Get off your pedestal before i drop you off it.

This can happen both on and offline.
Do you take the time to talk with anyone that approaches you on the street?. I dont really know but I can tell you that most people dont.

Why are things like this and why is this currently accepted in society is beyond me.



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12 Jun 2012, 5:58 am

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Why are things like this and why is this currently accepted in society is beyond me.


Because it doesn't inflict nearly enough misery. Think of it as the second law of sociological thermodynamics: the viciousness of the universe tends towards a maximum.