Am I the only one who doesn't ever want to marry?

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27 Jun 2012, 12:09 am

First, I'm not sure if this really belongs in love and romance, given the usual postings, so I'm erring on the side of caution, and putting it here, instead. (please feel free to move it!)

I don't mean that I have no interest in dating, finding a mate that I can tolerate for years, having a family, etc. I just find the idea of marriage barbaric. The custom was created a long long time ago, for specific social reasons, and when the expected lifespan was much shorter then it is now. It was not meant for the enjoyment of both parties, and not necessarily for either of the two, but for the creation of children and transfer of property (women in most cultures were considered useless other then to bear offspring, hence dowries) and frankly, times have changed. People marry for "love" and "responsibility", but often do so much too soon or for the wrong reasons, that may "feel right" at the time, and divorce is very very common as a result. Add to that the current life expectancy and potential life span, and the fact that throughout life, people grow and change, and it just seems like a setup for failure with very few exceptions..

If it wasn't a legally binding contract for life, like say if it was like a lease that had to be renewed every few years or the agreement would end and both parties walk away, I'd be game for it. As it is, I plan to, should I find the right person, have a "commitment ceremony" (like a wedding, only without being legally binding, mostly for the families, because if you love someone and they love you, that's all that matters) because I know full well that my interests change from year to year. I almost made the mistake of getting married to my abusive ex before I realized how toxic he was, and honestly, that has scared me out of ever wanting to go through with legally binding myself to another person, other then offspring. Divorce is expensive for both parties, even if they are in complete agreement, and it's a major headache. Frankly, I'm of the opinion that if I split up with a long-term SO, and we have things cooperatively purchased, and he/she wants them, he/she can have them; I can always get more. (Though I don't like the idea of sharing finances, either, I believe that bills/dates/necessities should be FAIRLY paid based on % of income of each party from separate accounts, and any money left over belongs to the party who earned it, to do with whatever he/she wants, within reason.)

I also don't like the ritual of buying an overly expensive ring for the woman and the man getting absolutely nothing of equal value in return. Much better to use that money for something *useful*, like a car, or a house; something both parties can potentially use, rather then something neither of them can use for anything other then bragging rights..

Am I alone in this?


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27 Jun 2012, 12:33 am

I have no plans to ever get married - and no desire for any long term relationship of any kind - even friendships often are too much for me - I just do not like having some sort of obligation to another person - it feels like having my freedom taken away because they often want my time, and I am rarely willing to give it away (unless it has to do with special interest stuff.

I feel like I'm "married" to my special interests - mainly music. What I mean by that, is that I spend almost all of my time on them - and everything else bores me easily.

On top of that I also do not like the legal aspects of marriage, and I think the social aspects of marriage are just ridiculous.



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27 Jun 2012, 12:35 am

Everyone has different needs, so while you find marrying 'horrifying' others find it attractive, especially when children are concerned.

Just think of it this way - each persons nervous system gives them a unique nature. So your nature is not necessarily someone elses. i.e. trying to use yourself as a standard by which all behavior or customs should be judged is foolhardy because you're not taking into account people have different natures and hence have different makeups.

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27 Jun 2012, 12:38 am

I don't ever want to get married not because I dislike the ritual itself, but because the only person who I've ever loved never reciprocated my feelings. I've been in love with her for 7 and a half years even though we stopped being on speaking terms a really long time ago, and at this point I doubt I'll ever meet anyone who made me feel the same way she did. I like to imagine that if she had reciprocated my feelings, that we would have gotten married a long time ago and might have even had children by now.



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27 Jun 2012, 12:47 am

ZakFiend wrote:
Everyone has different needs, so while you find marrying 'horrifying' others find it attractive, especially when children are concerned.

Just think of it this way - each persons nervous system gives them a unique nature. So your nature is not necessarily someone elses. i.e. trying to use yourself as a standard by which all behavior or customs should be judged is foolhardy because you're not taking into account people have different natures and hence have different makeups.

The human mind does not perceive reality in a literal way, see here:

http://bit.ly/dYaWUc


I certainly didn't mean to imply that nobody should get married, only to explain why I, personally, find it unappealing. I apologize if I was unclear about that.

I do understand that my needs are different from others', and didn't mean to imply they were "wrong" in any way, I was simply curious if there were others who abhor the idea of marriage, but still want all the other romantic/procreational aspects of life.



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27 Jun 2012, 1:09 am

Monkeybuttorama wrote:
I certainly didn't mean to imply that nobody should get married, only to explain why I, personally, find it unappealing. I apologize if I was unclear about that.

I do understand that my needs are different from others', and didn't mean to imply they were "wrong" in any way, I was simply curious if there were others who abhor the idea of marriage, but still want all the other romantic/procreational aspects of life.


I don't know what the future will hold, but I may never get married. It would be nice to have a live-in, long term girlfriend, but I guess I should be careful what I wish for.

That said, if I were to have kids, and plan on staying together, then I would indeed "make it legal" and get married, if kids are involved, yes. Otherwise, I don't think I'd bother.



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27 Jun 2012, 1:29 am

When i was about then years old i realized that i would never get married and i stuck to this decision and never regretted it. My main reason is that i can't stand people in my "territory" and all that fuss caused by living together. For instance, living on my own means that i decide when to clean the house, when and what to eat, when to do the laundry, what to spend money for etc.

In my early twenties i gave it a try and it fulfilled my worst expectations. I let her move in but made very clear that i would never get married to her nor ever would have kids. Therefore, we were kind of roommates who simultaneously had a sexual affair. I liked the latter but hated the former and that's why for the next 30 years and yet today i can enjoy affairs but would never want to live with a person. Really, really NEVER. That's not about the person concerned, though. It's about the fact that i can't live with human beings. There is no such miracle as "when the right person appears it will change." That's BS. And even if a person would want to make things which are contrary to their personality out of infatuation or a strong sexual attraction accompanied by a temporary upheaval in their brain chemistry, sooner or later they will feel uncomfortable with the situation and try to re-balance according to their own needs and preferences.

Completely agree with you, marriage as a concept is outmoded, and those who remain in a marriage for decades often live with rotten compromises in a chronic no-win situation.

Most people might get married out of love and divorce their spouses when the love-part is over and attraction ceases, but i can as well love without getting married.



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27 Jun 2012, 1:32 am

Monkeybuttorama wrote:
I certainly didn't mean to imply that nobody should get married, only to explain why I, personally, find it unappealing. I apologize if I was unclear about that.

I do understand that my needs are different from others', and didn't mean to imply they were "wrong" in any way, I was simply curious if there were others who abhor the idea of marriage, but still want all the other romantic/procreational aspects of life.


Well some people might find your take on marriage a little offensive, I personally know people who don't believe in divorce. i.e. you don't just love somebody on a 'contract' basis. When you speak of 'marriage renewals'. Some might take that as you don't really love the person, i.e. you won't stay with them through thick and thin, you'll just abandon them whenever it is convenient for you.

Me personally, I totally understand where you're coming from. But there's also a part of me that likes the idea of actually sticking with someone through it all rather then just giving up when the going gets rough.

Maybe you just don't like the legal aspects of it. I don't think anyone really has a problem with someone wanting to commit to a person for life, perhaps it's just the legal bs gets in the way and that's why you abor it so?



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27 Jun 2012, 1:36 am

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When i was about then years old i realized that i would never get married and i stuck to this decision and never regretted it. My main reason is that i can't stand people in my "territory" and all that fuss caused by living together. For instance, living on my own means that i decide when to clean the house, when and what to eat, when to do the laundry, what to spend money for etc.

In my early twenties i gave it a try and it fulfilled my worst expectations. I let her move in but made very clear that i would never get married to her nor ever would have kids. Therefore, we were kind of roommates who simultaneously had a sexual affair. I liked the latter but hated the former and that's why for the next 30 years and yet today i can enjoy affairs but would never want to live with a person. Really, really NEVER. That's not about the person concerned, though. It's about the fact that i can't live with human beings. There is no such miracle as "when the right person appears it will change." That's BS. And even if a person would want to make things which are contrary to their personality out of infatuation or a strong sexual attraction accompanied by a temporary upheaval in their brain chemistry, sooner or later they will feel uncomfortable with the situation and try to re-balance according to their own needs and preferences.

Completely agree with you, marriage as a concept is outmoded, and those who remain in a marriage for decades often live with rotten compromises in a chronic no-win situation.

Most people might get married out of love and divorce their spouses when the love-part is over and attraction ceases, but i can as well love without getting married.


I entirely understand the not liking people in your territory bit, I'm much the same way, however I know of many successful long-term couples who don't live together -ever- and are very happy to keep it that way.

I may end up being one of them, or I may give living with someone another shot. I did it once, and it was miserable, but the guy it was with was a jerk in every way, so I feel that may have been a huge factor. The living conditions were also too cramped for me to have my much-needed alone time (1-BR apartment) and I had no means of escape, as I did not have a non-expired driving license, or know *anyone* in the area (literally, nobody) and he refused to help me change that.


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27 Jun 2012, 1:36 am

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Monkeybuttorama wrote:
I certainly didn't mean to imply that nobody should get married, only to explain why I, personally, find it unappealing. I apologize if I was unclear about that.

I do understand that my needs are different from others', and didn't mean to imply they were "wrong" in any way, I was simply curious if there were others who abhor the idea of marriage, but still want all the other romantic/procreational aspects of life.


I don't know what the future will hold, but I may never get married. It would be nice to have a live-in, long term girlfriend, but I guess I should be careful what I wish for.

That said, if I were to have kids, and plan on staying together, then I would indeed "make it legal" and get married, if kids are involved, yes. Otherwise, I don't think I'd bother.


That makes me think of another point - I do not want children at all. The thought repulses me in every way - and I have spent a lot of time working with children. It would be the end of my life, essentially. I also do not see myself being a good parent, at all. Kids seem to like me a lot - but I have a horribly difficult time with them unless other adults are around to help. I had bad parenting - I would not wish that on anyone.

Plus, I would lose much of the free time I currently spend on music (which is pretty much all of my time in general). I also just don't feel the need to procreate - or any desire - and I never have. But few people accept this or are ok with it.



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27 Jun 2012, 1:58 am

When I was 8 years old I decided that I would never marry or have kids. I am now in my early 50s, and I never changed my mind, and never did marry or have kids. I never wanted to do either, and I would have made a lousy wife and mother anyway. I realize that the societal norm is to marry and have kids, but it is not necessary or required for everyone to do so. If you want to marry with or without kids, great, but if you want to go solo, that's great, too. It's a matter of personal choice. I have always been okay with my choice. It was the right one for me. :D

I found in my childhood, and since then, that I am not able to meet many of the expectations of family, and others. This is due to my then unknown Asperger's. Their negative reactions to my not meeting their expectations are uncomfortable at best, and usually it is worse than that. I have no desire to enter into yet another relationship where I will be unable to meet someone's expectations, and have to deal with yet more negative feed back. I prefer being alone far more than being with others because of that.

We each need to find our own path, and not take a path chosen by others, that we don't care for, but have been pressured into.


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27 Jun 2012, 1:59 am

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Monkeybuttorama wrote:
I certainly didn't mean to imply that nobody should get married, only to explain why I, personally, find it unappealing. I apologize if I was unclear about that.

I do understand that my needs are different from others', and didn't mean to imply they were "wrong" in any way, I was simply curious if there were others who abhor the idea of marriage, but still want all the other romantic/procreational aspects of life.


Well some people might find your take on marriage a little offensive, I personally know people who don't believe in divorce. i.e. you don't just love somebody on a 'contract' basis. When you speak of 'marriage renewals'. Some might take that as you don't really love the person, i.e. you won't stay with them through thick and thin, you'll just abandon them whenever it is convenient for you.

Me personally, I totally understand where you're coming from. But there's also a part of me that likes the idea of actually sticking with someone through it all rather then just giving up when the going gets rough.

Maybe you just don't like the legal aspects of it. I don't think anyone really has a problem with someone wanting to commit to a person for life, perhaps it's just the legal bs gets in the way and that's why you abor it so?


Unfortunately, believing in divorce or not doesn't change the fact that more then half of people who get married get divorced. As I said, I know there are some exceptions, but very few in the long-run.

Marriage renewals, as I proposed them, ARE specifically for no longer loving someone; if you've tried and tried to make things work, or they did something absolutely unforgivable, you should have the option to simply not renew, rather then go through long, drawn out legal processes, *NOT* because it's inconvenient. Let's be honest here though, would YOU want to stay with someone who DID find the relationship so inconvenient they no longer wanted to be part of it? I certainly wouldn't.

Sometimes, you just can't make a person love you again, nor make yourself love a person again, and to force yourself to do otherwise is seriously harmful.

And I apologize in advance, this is going to be rude: If people are offended by *my opinion* and *my views* on marriage, which have absolutely no bearing whatsoever on *their life*, they seriously need to reconsider their priorities.. And I mean that whole-heartedly. I'm NOT about to change how I see things because someone else might be offended, that's sillyness.

[Edit] Only the last bit was approved, by me, to be rude, the rest was not intended as such, and I certainly do apologize if my phrasing makes it seem otherwise, it is not my intent (I feel I need to say this because I often offend people when I have no intention to do so, and I'm not sure how else to phrase some things)


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27 Jun 2012, 2:05 am

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When I was 8 years old I decided that I would never marry or have kids. I am now in my early 50s, and I never changed my mind, and never did marry or have kids. I never wanted to do either, and I would have made a lousy wife and mother anyway. I realize that the societal norm is to marry and have kids, but it is not necessary or required for everyone to do so. If you want to marry with or without kids, great, but if you want to go solo, that's great, too. It's a matter of personal choice. I have always been okay with my choice. It was the right one for me. :D

I found in my childhood, and since then, that I am not able to meet many of the expectations of family, and others. This is due to my then unknown Asperger's. Their negative reactions to my not meeting their expectations are uncomfortable at best, and usually it is worse than that. I have no desire to enter into yet another relationship where I will be unable to meet someone's expectations, and have to deal with yet more negative feed back. I prefer being alone far more than being with others because of that.

We each need to find our own path, and not take a path chosen by others, that we don't care for, but have been pressured into.


I agree with your last statement, and thank you for sharing, that's really enlightening! ^_^



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27 Jun 2012, 2:08 am

I remember even when I was 15 years old saying I wanted to be an old maid.
I think I've kept to that as I prefer being a lone wolf.



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27 Jun 2012, 2:14 am

If I had known before I got married what I know now, I never would have gone through with it. The first couple years were pretty good, but ever since then, it's like we're just roommates. :(


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