what does it mean to be aloof?

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19 Jul 2012, 12:02 pm

People with AS and other things are sometimes described as "appearing" aloof. Is it possible to be genuinely aloof, rather than just shy or appearing to be aloof?

What would this be like, exactly?



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19 Jul 2012, 12:47 pm

edgewaters wrote:

What would this be like, exactly?


In terms of?
Observing such a person?
Experiencing life as such a person?


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19 Jul 2012, 1:07 pm

ValentineWiggin wrote:
edgewaters wrote:

What would this be like, exactly?


In terms of?
Observing such a person?
Experiencing life as such a person?


Well how it would be distinguished from being shy, or simply appearing to be aloof? How could a person tell if they were genuinely aloof?



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19 Jul 2012, 1:27 pm

Well, mostly by continuing to interact and seeing whether the person ever relaxed, warmed up socially or showed an interest in those around them. Someone might seem aloof as a first impression, but then become more friendly and I would realise that they just needed some time to relax into the social situation.

Of course, someone might continue to seem aloof, and after a while I'd probably give up trying to engage them socially. Ultimately you can't know for sure if it was just a front or if it was the person's real nature. When people say that someone "seemed aloof", it's probably not because they have a magical insight that the person wasn't really aloof on the inside, but more because they're trying to give the benefit of the doubt. (Since most NTs would view it as desirable for a person to be warm, interested in people and socially engaged.)



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19 Jul 2012, 1:28 pm

(Or have I misread, and you're asking how the aloof person themselves could tell they were really aloof rather than just seeming aloof to others?)



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19 Jul 2012, 1:28 pm

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Well, mostly by continuing to interact and seeing whether the person ever relaxed, warmed up socially or showed an interest in those around them. Someone might seem aloof as a first impression, but then become more friendly and I would realise that they just needed some time to relax into the social situation.

Of course, someone might continue to seem aloof, and after a while I'd probably give up trying to engage them socially. Ultimately you can't know for sure if it was just a front or if it was the person's real nature. When people say that someone "seemed aloof", it's probably not because they have a magical insight that the person wasn't really aloof on the inside, but more because they're trying to give the benefit of the doubt. (Since most NTs would view it as desirable for a person to be warm, interested in people and socially engaged.)


No I mean how would the person themself, know? What is aloof, exactly? What's wrong with it?



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19 Jul 2012, 1:35 pm

in my experience, 'aloof' goes beyond shyness into a tendency towards coldness. the two are not distinguishable upon first meeting a person, but people who are truly aloof NEVER really warm up. i have met a few aspie like that, and also some people with schzoid personality disorder. shyness can be understood as temporary reluctance to let people get close, or like social anxiety. aloofness is tendency to keep people away indefinitely


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19 Jul 2012, 1:39 pm

Right, I get it now - apologies for the misunderstanding.

I imagine that aloofness would feel like disinterest in other people, lack of desire to engage with them or find out more about them, maybe even feeling dislike for people in general. If that was genuinely how you felt, and you didn't feel a need for social interaction, then there's nothing wrong with it per se - you could disengage on a social level, do the minimum necessary to get by at work and in unavoidable situations, and spend the rest of your time happily alone. It would only be wrong if you knowingly led someone to expect affection from you when you couldn't or wouldn't follow through. Most NTs wouldn't understand it, but you don't owe them more than basic civility and respect. You would probably end up disliked by people around you, but if you were genuinely aloof then perhaps that wouldn't bother you.

But if you did want to engage socially with some people, yet found yourself unable to respond warmly to them, then I'd say you're not really aloof. Just shy, or otherwise not able to reproduce social cues.

It's the desire for connection and interaction that makes the difference, I think.



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19 Jul 2012, 2:09 pm

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It would only be wrong if you knowingly led someone to expect affection from you when you couldn't or wouldn't follow through.


What if you can (and like to) express affection just fine, but recoil from receiving it? What's that called?



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19 Jul 2012, 2:32 pm

Hmm. I could see why the person whose affection you'd rejected might describe you as aloof, though it seems like a very specific kind of aloofness - and there are all kinds of things that could underpin the behaviour. Again, I think it might depend on whether part of you wanted the affection but felt unable to accept it, or whether you simply found it distasteful. I'm struggling to think of a word that neatly describes it, to be honest. It reminds me of "stone", the adjective sometimes used - especially in the queer community - to describe someone who likes to touch people in bed but not to receive sexual touch themselves. I think that refers exclusively to sex, though, rather than affection in general.



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19 Jul 2012, 3:10 pm

tarantella wrote:
I think it might depend on whether part of you wanted the affection but felt unable to accept it


That's it right there.

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It reminds me of "stone", the adjective sometimes used - especially in the queer community - to describe someone who likes to touch people in bed but not to receive sexual touch themselves. I think that refers exclusively to sex, though, rather than affection in general.


Not so much with physical displays of affection, actually. Sexual or otherwise. Just verbal/nonverbal communication.



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19 Jul 2012, 6:52 pm

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Right, I get it now - apologies for the misunderstanding.

I imagine that aloofness would feel like disinterest in other people, lack of desire to engage with them or find out more about them, maybe even feeling dislike for people in general. If that was genuinely how you felt, and you didn't feel a need for social interaction, then there's nothing wrong with it per se - you could disengage on a social level, do the minimum necessary to get by at work and in unavoidable situations, and spend the rest of your time happily alone. It would only be wrong if you knowingly led someone to expect affection from you when you couldn't or wouldn't follow through. Most NTs wouldn't understand it, but you don't owe them more than basic civility and respect. You would probably end up disliked by people around you, but if you were genuinely aloof then perhaps that wouldn't bother you.

But if you did want to engage socially with some people, yet found yourself unable to respond warmly to them, then I'd say you're not really aloof. Just shy, or otherwise not able to reproduce social cues.

It's the desire for connection and interaction that makes the difference, I think.

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Hrm. I'm fascinated by people and crave knowing all about them- their customs, psychology, beliefs, their relationships with one another and larger society, etc. But I've no desire, really, to "connect"- I've been told, alternately, that people who talk to me either feel "interrogated", or that I was genuinely interested in them and their life/problems/background, when I was really doing was adding their responses to my long list of "specimens". I think the integral part is the lack of desire for "connection"- when it comes right down to it, I really don't find most people likable.


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19 Jul 2012, 8:08 pm

Maybe we could get a mod to split this thread ... I really want to talk about this aloof business but I don't want to derail too much.



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19 Jul 2012, 8:42 pm

welcome to your new thread. you cn edit your first post and change it if necessary, and you also edit the title at the same time if it does not work for you


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19 Jul 2012, 8:45 pm

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welcome to your new thread. you cn edit your first post and change it if necessary, and you also edit the title at the same time if it does not work for you


Thankyou, sorry for the work. Looks all good to me.



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19 Jul 2012, 9:05 pm

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Hrm. I'm fascinated by people and crave knowing all about them- their customs, psychology, beliefs, their relationships with one another and larger society, etc. But I've no desire, really, to "connect"- I've been told, alternately, that people who talk to me either feel "interrogated", or that I was genuinely interested in them and their life/problems/background, when I was really doing was adding their responses to my long list of "specimens". I think the integral part is the lack of desire for "connection"- when it comes right down to it, I really don't find most people likable.


So all friends and/or lovers are just specimens? What about family? Or is this just one aspect that you have, among others?