PUA can be dangerously effective.

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I wasn't a pua fan per se, but I do have to admit its effectiveness after what I saw recently.

There's an acquaintance I know who's too into PUA stuff and evolutionary psychology (he knows all its acronyms, read books, stuff and all the s**t) and a malicious one too, an half-american US citizen owning a business here. He's a typical militant PUA and yes, he's exotically good-looking and sporty and around 30.

I swear he kept pulling and pushing his (dumb) fiancee like a yo-yo for Xth times, to the point to continuous changing his FB status from engaged to single like at least twice a month, gets another gf or f-buddy, leave her, and then get engaged with the same (dumb) girl.

I do not really think highly of him but he gave me some EFFECTIVE stuff that helped greatly to deal with some girls (before my current to-be-soon-gf), one tip he gave that works very effective with girls who always flake dates is to pretend that you were about to cancel the date too.

Real example:
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Her: Samer, sorry i won't be able to go today - i got extra work. --> she did that like the Nth time for a date she invited me to.
Me: oh goodness! I was about to tell you that I won't make it too, you saved me of being embarrassed."

she reacted oddly and attempted to ask me out the day after (for the N+1 time) but i totally got tired of her games so I declined - she already f****d up her last chance. (yes, pastfixation, that was D.). ---> the point is that this PUA trick worked tremendously, it was the first time she tries reschedule a date she flaked, , coincidence? I highly doubt, however my choice of declining is another story.



Another real example i witnessed him doing it:
Writing down his phone number 'by coincidence' on a ATM's receipt showing large transactions - he gets a call from her after 15 mins of leaving the pub/club (not the type of women I would want but... LOL).


Now this is the scary stuff, this guy was having the hots for a very attractive girl among our circle with a 2-years boyfriend - a very young skinny kinda-dorky guy who works in a known multi-national company, and they've been an item since they were together in univ.

The PUA guy came and told me: 'wanna bet i can steal her from him with pick-up techniques?' , i was like "yea, right" sarcastically. That was 2 weeks ago.

and that how he started the plan, I witnessed this s**t day by day.

1-He befriended the guy, and started assisting him in various ways.
2-He succeeding in becoming the guy's idol in front of the target girl ( = decreasing the bf's value while increasing his own value in her mind)
3- Indirectly, he made him sound less wiser, less mature and much physically weaker than him.
4-Subtle things started to happen between the pua guy and the girl (winks, smiles...).
5-I couldn't believe what I was seeing - but she started touching him, it's only a matter of time now before breaking up with her bf or even cheating on him (if that didn't already happen) .


So reading PUA stuff isn't only useful to learn techniques to use them fairly but also might give you the knowledge to spot stealers like him who use pua abusively and with no moral constraints.

This post isn't very clear to me personally. I have no idea what these acronym's are.

PUA = Pick-Up Artist. Basically, a guy who subtly treats women like dirt in order to make them want him. I have not tried it, but it works.

US = United States. The fourth largest country in the world and one of the richest.

LOL = Laughing Out Loud. Internet speak for laughs.

ATM = Automatic Teller Machine. A machine used to access financial transactions.



OK, with the last three I was messing with you. Sorry.

Boo> Its all in that guys personality. Thats who he is. He is a conniving malicious, manipulative person. Was he completely different before he started learning PUA? I don't really believe it.

Is that what anybody here aspires to be so they can get girls?

The whole befriending the boyfriend to get close to the girl s**t.....wow......I think you can get killed for that doing that to the wrong person.

They belong together. Let the PUA dudes do their thing so the suckers can fall for it. The rest of us can associate with more decent people. A decent man trying out these PUA techniques on a decent woman runs the risk of her (most likely) not falling for it, or even being repelled by it.

You put this beautifully.

PUA can work Ive seen it happen.

However the main reason PUA works is because they keep trying and put rejection aside

For example yesterday I went out with some people.
While we were at a bar we came across this two great looking foreigners. Several groups of males were around them trying to figure out how to approach them.

My friend told me to join him and he tried to run a routine on them(he doesnt speak English so he needed help). They didnt speak English either but we were the first ones to approach them in the whole night and this made a difference.
How do I know? After approaching them we went to a club that was near by(not that many single females at the bar) after several hours of talking/approaching females at this club I noticed that a couple of girls started hanging out next to us.
They were the ones from the start of the night so we said hi and whatnot again. Believe it or not they stood next to us for the rest of our time at that club(eventually left and they were still there)

Truth is I probably wouldnt have been able to approach them by myself on the first place which is why I say that PUA just isnt for me.
If it works for you/someone else then thats great.

+1. Your PUA acquaintance sounds like scum. I can understand playing such a game to get sex if the other side plays it, too, but I do wonder if that's really the most efficient path even to that. I certainly do not understand how how any meaningful relationship can develop from such games.



Were they actually his receipts or other people's? I knew a guy who in his younger days used to be a technician servicing ATMs. He could make an ATM print a receipt that said basically whatever he wanted, so he would also write his phone number on such fake receipts. I've been told it worked well. I don't know whether he was a PU artist as such, but he certainly was a BS artist! By the time I met him he was running his own business. One day he was trying to impress a potential client and said "yeah, I'm currently doing an MBA course at XYZ university" to which the potential client replied "oh, what a coincidence! I'm actually a lecturer in that course!" (which he actually was). I only wish such things would happen to such people more often!

PUA stuff is fine, people. It's like a weapon: You can use it for good, and you can use it for bad.

The fact that it's so often used for bad says a whole lot more about humanity, than PUA, don't you think? If you go and use PUA techniques to get the girl of your dreams, that's fine. If you go and use PUA techniques to manipulate women so that you can roll around in the gutter with the unworthy, that's bad.

[edit]PS evolutionary psychology is a joke. I'll spare sociology and many other fields of psychology no amount of flak and criticism, but evo psych? By the Gods, calling it science is an insult to the entire methodology.

Is this topic a warning against PUA or an advertisement for it? I don't understand.
I mean, I keep debating to myself about my own morality, sex & prostitutes. Then here comes along PUA...

I can recall an instant where a PUA took a girlfriend of mine. First, the guy started talking with the both of us. She dumped me shortly after, dated the PUA for a few weeks, gets dumped, she tries coming back to me and gets rejected. She then didn't understand where my sense of self-esteem and pride came from.

I do not get one thing. What does it mean to "manipulate" during pick up? And what is not a manipulation? Examples please

He's programmer and claimed he was a typical awkward geek. But he's NT, that's for sure.

No, they weren't his receipts. lol

He used the same strategy of this dude.

Geek or not hes NT. Mystery is also NT, and is no role model for anybody.

Style is ok. Cool guy.

David Deangelo I can respect because he goes over different things, and the program I listened to "on being a man" has nothing to do with talking to women.

But Mystery and some of those other guys? Not who I look up to in terms of a role model, and certainly not who I want to emulate.

This one guy I used to know was a complete wigger. He didn't know PUA, he already had that "douchebagness" inside of him so he already attracted alot of women (the trashy ones). Even he wouldn't steal my roommates girlfriend after she was giving him flirty signs. He said thats f****d up