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Uh... I've heard of men being called b*****s, and nobody calls a woman an as*hole.

Well, I never claimed that it was unnatural (quite the opposite, actually), only that it being natural is not a good excuse, because we do not live in nature, we live in culture. And of course I cannot purge those thoughts, I have them, you have them, almost anybody has them, but I can voice my oppinion about it and point out if I find certain behaviour acceptable or not. What you make of this is none of my concern. Having feelings is something different than acting according to them. And that this isn't just my oppinion but that of most reasonable people is quite easy to prove: There's laws. If I always acted out how I felt, I'd be in jail, and most anybody would be. Lastly, I always thought I was a rather polite contributor on these forums, and I cannot recall an instance where I insulted anyone because of their gender or things like that. I know I tend to be misunderstood (I am no english native speaker, mind you), but I'd be glad if you pointed out the things to me that in your oppinion are in contrast to what I've said. I am perfectly aware that I am quite inept when it comes to certain emotions, but I am not trying to make excuses for it - that's why I am asking for help. No bad feelings or anything, I'm just curious if I come over different to what I've thought.

blah blah blah, offended feminists, blah blah

woah, how did whether or not something is appealing/attractive turn into whether or not something is justified

running around calling ex's/ other women b*tches or other slurs isn't going to make the honeys fall at your feet, but hey, the important thing is to not let the meanie feminists ruin your privilegey fun times

(actual slurs =/= all insults or all "bad words", they usually refer to a minority or marginalized group)

it sure won't some men are dicks and some women are b*****s, though. Such is life.

OP, if you're still with us mistakes happen and it's easy to get caught up in an idea of a person rather than the person themselves. I prefer to know a person before I jump into the dating game. Call it risk assessment.

Ah, well...as long as he's only misogynist toward INDIVIDUAL women...shouldn't you be in the other thread defending your idea that pay inequity is because women are lazy gossips?

Looks like I struck a nerve.

ValentineWiggin was repeatedly referred to as an assh*le in my unwanted attention thread... and then the one person called out for using the term was called out after referring to men who bother her in public as being assh*les. It didn't strike me as particularly sexist in either case but it only seemed appropriate in the latter case.

ValentineWiggin, can I ask you a question?
This is not a trick question or an accusation.

When you're in private conversation with your female friends,
and one of them refers to a man they know a "dick" or "bastard" or "royal prick",
do you interrupt them to say, "that's derogatory language and
you are treating those men in an unfairly sexist way." ?

I'm a man and I don't take any offense to
sexist language aimed at men like that.
Just because the targets of their derision happen to
share the same Y-shaped chromosome as me
doesn't mean I interpret it as a personal attack on me
OR as a sexist attack against all men.

I don't (and wouldn't) have female friends who would say things like that,
but I would take offense at "dick" or "royal prick".

As I've said, sexism toward the individual is hardly more defensible than sexism toward the group- groups are comprised of individuals, and if individual men can be crudely referred to by their sex as if it's relevant to their actions as individuals, I'm not sure why rationally this wouldn't apply to the group as a whole. Same goes for women: I don't particularly care if it HAPPENED to be that another woman was called something sexist because she dared to do something a man disagreed with- I have no idea why I should assume such a man would make an exception should I, another woman, do the same thing.

I'm still interested in my longstanding query as to why it's so difficult to condemn sexism against both the individual and the group, as well as why sexism of one kind is ascribed to someone who points out another kind.

What if a jerk guy is called dog (the male naming of the Canis lupus familiaris), would that be a sexist offence?

See? I've told you earlier that you don't interact with the outside world too often, you clearly live in your own bubble.

The word "Dick" is also used for a jerk guy in Arabic.

And I've told you earlier that you don't read properly and you like to proclaim your personal opinions about the way the world works as the way the world objectively-works.

Not sure how you got "I live in a bubble" from MY FRIENDS DON'T TALK LIKE THAT, AND I'D DITCH THEM IF THEY DID.

But let's go ahead and say I live in a bubble so I can call Argumentum ad Populum and we can be done with that line of hilarity.

So, again, is there any NON-fallacious reason why it's so hard to condemn men calling women "b*tches"? (Hint: "Lotsa people say sexist sh*t" isn't one.)

Shouldn't you be somewhere else, learning how to read? That wasn't my idea, and I never called them lazy OR gossips. I simply said that it's a fact they're more social, so that might be one possible reason why whoever decides who gets paid what decided to pay women less. I've also said many times that I don't agree with ANY sort of inequality, including pay inequality. But you only hear what you want to hear. You are the exact thing you claim doesn't exist within feminism, but you won't admit it. you might not outright say you hate men or call for their castration, but you can't stand not to jump at any chance to accuse a man of being a "misogynist." It's f****n sickening. Shut up and go make someone a sandwich already, for f**k's sake. I'm done responding to your stupid BS.

And it's not sexist to call someone a b***h. It's the female equivalent of calling a man a dick or an as*hole. And all of that is a stronger version of calling someone a jerk... There's nothing sexist about it. Now get off your soap box...