I'm crying right now... Need some advice.

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Eternity29
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21 Feb 2013, 3:05 pm

This is probably going to be a LONG post. It includes some chat logs. I had an upsetting conversation with my fiancee just now, and I would really like some advice and opinions. I'm very upset. I've been crying, and I don't think I'll be able to go to sleep unless I get this out.

First message, from him:

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So are we getting married? Or just co-habitating with a tax break? Because I'm not getting very much romance or love or any kind of affection out of you lately. or really ever when it comes to sex, you just go through the motions like its a chore. Or you're always too tired to go on a date or do anything romantic or fun, or even spend any amount of time with me... You wont be able to just avoid me when we're living together.


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I'm sorry. I've had a terrible week, with the period, final tests, and then the wedding and house stuff on top of that. Work has kinda sucked, too. I'm wondering if I'll be able to move to being a cashier, or if I'll be stuck as a stocker until I quit. I put in for a job in asset protection a little while before you came back, and I didn't even get talked to about that position. Frustrates me.

I think you read me wrong a lot. You think I'm upset with you or don't want to be around you when I'm thinking about something else entirely. Just because I'm not talking a lot doesn't mean I'm pissed, a lot of times, I just don't have anything to say. Or I don't know what I'm supposed to say. I don't see what's wrong with that. Silence isn't really a bad thing. I wish you wouldn't comment on how you think I'm feeling. Like, "You're quiet today," or "You look mad or tired, etc..." It makes me uncomfortable, and I don't know what I'm supposed to say or do about it. Makes me wonder if I'm expected to be 'on' all the time, or if I'm supposed to act a certain way. And I wonder how I'm supposed to know what way to act in what situation. It confuses, upsets, and annoys me. Emotions suck.

I don't know what to tell you about sex. I was willing today. Even though I was kinda worried because I figured it would hurt a lot because my period just ended. That's kind of a nuisance, but I can deal with it. Sex just isn't my thing, never has been. I don't fantasize about it or think about when I'm not having it, and I don't crave it. I'm willing to do it, but I doubt I'll ever like it as much as you do. I don't see a problem with that. We're both different, some people love sex, others don't.


His reply, and this is what made me cry and really hurt me. :(
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Do you enjoy explaining everything away instead of confronting it? Like you should be a politician, you didnt really address any of the above concerns except maybe the sex part...

I'm supposed to be the person you go to to escape stresses, I cant do that when you always keep me at arms distance or further. I ask you those "stupid" questions because I care about you and want to know if there's anything I can do but instead I'm just a talking head to you. You overthink these things way way way too much. Its no wonder you're so stressed out all the time. I cant expect you to be happy and chipper or have something to say 24/7 and I dont, but when you're down or quiet for a like the entire time I'm with you, I'm gonna ask about it to see if there's anything I can do... Thats how couples work...

As for the sex... I really dont want you to just be "willing". I want you to want it. Its not just a binary thing that either you like it or you dont. More of a scale of 1 to 10 thing. I like it about a 7. I'm sure you're going to say 0. The thing I dont get is I've never met anyone who didnt like it. No one. Zero people. I know I've pleased you so you like it a little. From my perspective it seems you dont even want to like it even a little. You dont have to like it so much that you want it every day, but I sure would love to see you ask me to make love to you, and actually mean it and want it for yourself once a week.

Is it too much to ask you to try and keep a more open mind about it? To view it from a different perspective? To think of it more of a game than a chore, or more like chocolate instead of onions, or whatever analogy you can come up with for yourself? Its supposed to be a mutually enjoyable thing between two people, not just me getting off while using you. Cant you just think of it as an escape? Not as something you feel you "have" to do, but as something to do with me to help you take your mind off work, school, wedding and house planning stresses? Cant you just do that for me?

Even if not, cant you at least want to be around me? Want to show me affection like I do to you? Want to spend time with me, even for an hour or less? I get little glimpses every now and then of these cute little things that I love, like little pecks on the cheek or you laying your head on my shoulder or wrapping arms, little romantic things that I just wish we could have more of but often times I'm the only one doing them and it feels to me like you're annoyed most of the time I do it.


Okay, so that was a lot of stuff to read, I know. I would greatly appreciate it if anyone could give me their thoughts on this. Am I out of line? Is he? I cried so hard at the part where he said that he'd never met anyone who didn't like sex. It made me feel like such a freak. And I can't flip a switch and force myself to like it. If I could, I would.

I feel like I have tried SOOOO hard for him, but nothing is ever good enough. Especially when it comes to sex. I don't measure up. And I also think that part of the problems with sex is his weight. He is 5'10 and weighs 300 pounds. I'm 5'2 and I weigh 118. It makes sex awkward. My legs hurt because I have to spread them so wide just to get around him. I don't want to say that to him, because I don't want to hurt his feelings. I once brought up the topic of weight loss, because I am concerned about the health problems he has starting having.... and it did not go well at all. I haven't brought it up again.

Advice please? Thanks for reading.



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21 Feb 2013, 3:26 pm

Oh boy. Can you say "doomed?"
One can't force themselves to like something if they simply don't. It's like me forcing myself to appreciate "pickles & peanut butter sandwiches", Hunger Games or sleeping on a bed of nails. Not gonna happen.
He doesn't understand "us." More importantly, he doesn't understand you. He wants you to be somebody you're not. What, go through the motions just to fool him? How long can that last?
He's got issues of his own, too. His weight, for instance. Unless he's a linebacker he needs to drop a few. Just picturing the two of you in bed makes me cringe. My goodness! He can roll over you at night and suffocate you! The picture you paint of your relationship is a bleak one. There were no happy events you shared. I couldn't, therefore, see this marriage going on. This might be one of those instances where you might have to "stick with your own kind", you know, another aspie who doesn't consider sex important. By the way, he's wrong. There are LOTS of folks who abhor sex. I've only had it once and I'm 50!



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21 Feb 2013, 3:28 pm

It's clear the root issue here is sex. He wants it, you don't and he's not willing to go through the effort of losing weight and making himself more fit and physically attractive to you. Tell him that it's not easy for a seal to have sex with a walrus.



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21 Feb 2013, 3:36 pm

He is completely out of line here. He's essentially asking you to be a different person for the sake of compatibility. I suggest sitting down with him and clearly illustrating the monumental effect (I'm guessing, based on the behaviors he outlined) AS has on you. His behavior after that is up to him.


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21 Feb 2013, 3:39 pm

Sex, imo, is a deal breaker.

I would definitely give marriage a second thought.

But aside from sex it appears there are other issues too.

You state "emotions suck". What do you mean?

Could it be you view him more as a friend than a lover? If that is the case, you will be getting married for all the wrong reasons.

I am sorry. It can't be easy.

Sending you a hug.



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21 Feb 2013, 3:42 pm

*sigh* That's what I was afraid of. I do care deeply for him and I have really tried. I feel like I've accepted him and his issues. He has always been overweight, and I don't expect him with rock hard abs or anything like that. But he needs to lose the weight or else it is very likely that he will not live long enough to retire.

Honestly, that is the only thing about him that I have ever confronted him about and asked him to change. Like I said, it was a disaster. But he is always wanting me to change and be someone I'm not.

He is very sweet and affectionate, sometimes a little too much so and it makes me uncomfortable. But I do really love him. I don't understand him a lot and I get frustrated sometimes, but I feel like I have mostly accepted him the way he is, flaws and all. I don't want to change his personality. Seems like he wants me to change mine. I have made an effort to be more affectionate, and he is always very appreciative of it when I do.

But I cannot maintain that constant level of affection that he seems to want from me. That's just not me. I need a break sometimes, you know?



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21 Feb 2013, 3:43 pm

Would you be interested in sex even if he was hot & hunky? Some people simply have little or no desire and that's fine - so long as you're paired with someone similar.

He wants sex - you don't. That's simply incompatible.



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21 Feb 2013, 3:44 pm

i'm afraid if you two can't openly talk about his wieght prob. then he is to blame for what he is trying to call you out for?
it seems it is all about sex, if you can't talk openly about everything then he needs not ask?


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21 Feb 2013, 3:46 pm

well it does come off as you wanting company and not be alone, while he wants a lover... seems a bit incompatible. it is heartbreaking to have to write it. it doesn't seem like your puzzle pieces are matching up in a good way.



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21 Feb 2013, 3:51 pm

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You state "emotions suck". What do you mean?


What I meant was that I have a lot of conflicting feelings sometimes in our relationship. I love him a lot, and I try. But I get exhausted sometimes with him. He wants all this emotional stuff, he says he wants me to feel a certain way during sex. Or that I should feel a certain way during sex. It drives me nuts and confuses me! I've asked him before, "Can't we just have sex and be done with it?" you know, do it, and not have to talk about it endlessly.

We have had a lot of good times together. We do nice things for each other, he's always around to help if I have car trouble. We help each other, we have fun talking about video games and watching Game of Thrones. I hang out with his friends sometimes and laugh at them when they get drunk. There are plenty of good things about our relationship, trust me. And I think this is the first guy I've been with where I know that I would miss terribly if we ever broke up. I do love him, and I want to make this work.

I'm wondering if perhaps we should talk to my therapist, together about some of this stuff. Don't know if he'll go for it or not, but it might help.



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21 Feb 2013, 4:00 pm

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Would you be interested in sex even if he was hot & hunky? Some people simply have little or no desire and that's fine - so long as you're paired with someone similar.

He wants sex - you don't. That's simply incompatible.


I don't know if I would be. I think it would certainly be easier for me to have sex with someone who was a little skinnier, like I said it gets a little awkward and cramped for me.

But I'm fine with him wanting sex, like I said, I am willing to provide it. I know that sometimes you have to make sacrifices for the people that you love. We have sex about 2 or 3 times a week, except when I'm on my period. Isn't that a pretty reasonable amount?



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21 Feb 2013, 4:00 pm

you love him, but he doesn't feel loved back. and that seems to go for everything, not just sex. i guess a therapist could help, because You needs to learn the way you share it vs him expecting it in a specific format.



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21 Feb 2013, 4:06 pm

Might want to read the book "The Five Love Languages" together... he's not feeling loved which means you're not giving him something he needs.

...and it might not actually be sex. (Although he has a point... we can tell when you're doing it just to appease us, rather than wanting/enjoying it!)



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21 Feb 2013, 4:07 pm

Eternity, the problem here isn't that you are willing to compromise with giving him sex. It's the simple fact that you don't enjoy it and you don't appreciate his weight.

I feel that all the positives you are highlighting, would be the ones I would speak about of a friend.

There has to be passion, desire...at least some to begin with. If you are not aligned in such a fundamental aspect now, can you imagine after you are married, and you have to be in each other's face all the time?

You need to (at least) sit down and have a deep and honest conversation.

You both owe it to each other. No blame. Just honesty.



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21 Feb 2013, 4:10 pm

aspiesandra27 wrote:
There has to be passion, desire...at least some to begin with. If you are not aligned in such a fundamental aspect now, can you imagine after you are married, and you have to be in each other's face all the time?
You need to (at least) sit down and have a deep and honest conversation.
You both owe it to each other. No blame. Just honesty.

Agreed 100% :thumright:



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21 Feb 2013, 4:11 pm

He is right about many things, you are right too.

You two are simply not compatible, sorry. :-/

Yes, I wouldn't want a woman who's "willing" to do it with me just for the sake of staying with me, It sounds like a consent rape (lol two contradictory terms).

I would want the desire to be mutual.