appletheclown wrote:
PUA's learn from experience, or copying someone else. Real men don't learn PUA techniques at all; they find there own way to make women smile.
If someone's really clueless they might. I try to be compassionate to the extent that both guys and girls are out there who technically have themselves together but for some reason, just in how they're cognitively built, instinct doesn't mesh and they need to learn manually. PUA done as such in the full extent is an extrema of form over substance though and you're already taking people who'd make terrible sales people and giving them stuff that's completely tacky off of the body language and disconnect of emotion. The girl in the video for instance is attractive but seeing her do it is as bad as seeing a gangly dork do it.
JohnConnor wrote:
I personally don't think that trying something new is hideous. If it winds you up in jail then yeah I would say one might need to change their tactics a little bit, HAHA.
Did you watch the video of her on the beach though? It was as uncomfortable as watching a Gwenyth Paltrow interview (how she's an A-list actress and interviews worse than an aspie is beyond me).
JohnConnor wrote:
We are currently living in a culture that has changed significantly over the past 50 years. Multiple changes in our economy have produced changes in gender roles. A woman no longer needs to depend on a man for the things that she once depended on him for such as food and shelter.
All that's very true but these techniques need legitimate depth. What people are trying to learn is communication skills. Bubble-gum wrapper tactics seem to do more to chase people away rather than investing in learning. Our culture has essentially gone to the left-brain extrema and hence women are often left just as high and dry on game as guys are. I get why she's doing it and I completely sympathize with her but accordingly different game for different people, there's a shallow person's 'game', there's a braniac's romantic angles, if she's looking for more depth I think the worst thing she could be doing is rattling off stuff arbitrarily - it feels forced, it feels weird, and it comes off as very not-her. I have a feeling if she does some soul searching she'll realize she's a nerd, look for nerdy/geeky guys, and she'll have game with em because she'll be able to flirt from depth rather than trying to smash it all into comformity by saying 'Well, the greatest number of people are horizontal rather than vertical minded hence you gotta play the horizontal game'. There's such a thing as smashing a square peg into a round pole - this video shows how ugly that is.
JohnConnor wrote:
Todays woman has the option to be as financially independent as she chooses to be. In order for a man to attract a woman he has to make changes within himself, his personality and the way he thinks. Its a learning process that takes time.
And women have to learn to be careful just how left-brained they get, otherwise they have all the same problems. I really don't like to think of it as 'Oh, single? Well - you're a nerd, we'll teach you how to dress, how to brush your teeth, how to take care of yourself'. A LOT of people who are near permanently single have all of that down pat. It seems like the biggest impass a guy or girl could have is high IQ and depth, not because they're bad but because its incredibly difficult to meet someone who's right for you and you'll see incredibly attractive and even very well socially skilled and classy people spend their lives alone largely because they're on a whole other level of life and practically by themselves, huffing paint thinner, auto-erotic asphyxiation, or methamphetamine won't bring them 'down to normal' - really very little can. I have a friend who can make girls laugh for days but, 150 range IQ, he tries dating em, gets bored, they sense it and rebel, its over, and he's kinda backed off and just staying in his creative endeavors (producer) as well as bartending at a men's club and working on tricking out his cars these days. So many examples of how people who are largely single or even life-long singles doesn't necessarily mean that there's something broken about them that needs fixed; sometimes yes sometimes no, and similarly I've known enough guys in highschool who crushed ritalin and snorted it, would go mushmouthed and cartoony when they drank, were in and out of jail, and they have no problems with women at all. I personally wouldn't have much to do with the girls that run after them but suffice to say everything happens every which way.
10 Aug 2013, 9:23 am
