Slightly underweight or curvy/slightly overweight?
The above statement is blatant twisting of my words. What I keep trying to express, and what many of you want to twist into hatred for thin people is my disbelief that anyone would support the position that looks should be valued over health.
It's obvious that some of you have issues over a perceived "war on thin." I'm almost 60, and I lived through at least 50 years of "war on fat." No, I'm not fat, but I'm not thin either - I'm about average, so I really don't have a dog in this fight, other than my concerns about how ridiculous pressure from external sources causes some women to completely ruin their health. "Dying to be thin" is not just a saying. It literally happens.
I did not know just one woman who abused her body that way (she was just the most recent example I could think of off the top of my head) - when I was in my teens and 20s and 30s, virtually every woman I knew was on a perpetual diet. Nearly every one. Literally. In fact, I vaguely recall knowing ONE woman who was NOT on a diet. "You can't ever be too thin" was an overwhelming cultural meme at the time. For decades. As a consequence, this relatively recent backlash from a small segment of people against the cultural mindset that "thinner is better" is extremely refreshing to me, since virtually every woman I've known from the time I was in high school until I was in my mid-40s suffered health problems as a consequence of their perpetual dieting. Most were anemic, many stopped menstruating, some could not even conceive (until they went back to a normal, healthy diet), others suffered from fragile bones as a result of poor nutrition, others went a little bit crazy, there was a pretty fair representation of autoimmune diseases scattered about.
I've never claimed that being obese is healthy, either. I will, in fact, flatly say that being obese is unhealthy. For all of you who want to blame obese people (and there you're blaming the women themselves) for not stepping away from the table, I say you should also be blaming all who perpetuate "there's no such thing as too thin" myth (note that I'm NOT blaming the women themselves, but rather the societal pressure). Nowhere in our culture is there peer/societal pressure for women to be fat. NOWHERE. Yet, you seem to want to blame the women themselves for being fat. Conversely, nowhere that you look in our culture is there NOT peer/societal pressure to be thin. So, I blame the societal pressure, not the women.
Why should we sit back and let the fashion and advertising industry dictate our individual choices? If you're thin and you like it, stay thin. If you're fat and you like it, stay fat. If you're either extreme and want to change, more power to you. Just be healthy and stop giving a crap about what other people think of you.
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These are women whose figures I think look fine. How would you classify their physiques?
[imgttp://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Actress+Lupita+Nyong+o+Fox+Searchlight+TIFF+CKTDBQPgfb9l.jpg[/img]
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They are all hot, physique wise.
But out of my league .
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Because they don't have access to all the cheap crap food that us 'murricans have. It costs much less to eat unhealthy crap in this country than it does to eat healthy. Who here is unfamiliar with the "Ramen diet"? Cheapest food you can buy, loaded with salt, fat, carbs.
Also, most of America's gene pool comes from western Europe. Western Europe has had its share overweight people since medieval times (mostly the middle and upper classes). Guess who founded this nation? Yup, the middle and upper classes of western Europe.
The Asian, Eurasian, and African gene pools historically do not have as high an incidence of overweight people. They also eat less meat and dairy than Europeans and Americans. The two things may be related, they may not. There was a very popular "Asian diet" 20-25 years ago, where people tried to lose weight eating more like traditional Asians. It didn't work very well, and rapidly fell out of favor. Why? Because western DNA is just different enough from eastern DNA that what seems to work very well for people of Asian origin doesn't do the trick for us westerners.
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Because they don't have access to all the cheap crap food that us 'murricans have. It costs much less to eat unhealthy crap in this country than it does to eat healthy. Who here is unfamiliar with the "Ramen diet"? Cheapest food you can buy, loaded with salt, fat, carbs.
Also, most of America's gene pool comes from western Europe. Western Europe has had its share overweight people since medieval times (mostly the middle and upper classes). Guess who founded this nation? Yup, the middle and upper classes of western Europe.
The Asian, Eurasian, and African gene pools historically do not have as high an incidence of overweight people. They also eat less meat and dairy than Europeans and Americans. The two things may be related, they may not. There was a very popular "Asian diet" 20-25 years ago, where people tried to lose weight eating more like traditional Asians. It didn't work very well, and rapidly fell out of favor. Why? Because western DNA is just different enough from eastern DNA that what seems to work very well for people of Asian origin doesn't do the trick for us westerners.
A review of 144 published studies of the relationship between socioeconomic status (SES) and obesity reveals a strong inverse relationship among women in developed societies. The relationship is inconsistent for men and children in developed societies. In developing societies, however, a strong direct relationship exists between SES and obesity among men, women, and children. A review of social attitudes toward obesity and thinness reveals values congruent with the distribution of obesity by SES in different societies. Several variables may mediate the influence of attitudes toward obesity and thinness among women in developed societies that result in the inverse relationship between SES and obesity. They include dietary restraint, physical activity, social mobility, and inheritance. (PsycINFO Database Record (c) 2012 APA, all rights reserved)
http://psycnet.apa.org/index.cfm?fa=sea ... -23051-001
But why only the women?? If only I can get this study.
If person A burns 500 calories less per day than person B, it doesn't mean that person A is doomed to a life of being overweight; it simply means that person A needs 500 calories less per day to function.
You can always find articles on the internet that support your views. Ask, and I'll post at least ten that contradict all that on how it's mostly genetics.
A man does not need to starve himself to get to 15% bodyfat--and a woman does not need to starve herself to get to 23% bodyfat or even 20% bodyfat, given that society does not expect women to carry more muscle mass than they get from everyday activities.
Nobody said that you were stupid, and since you're clearly well educated, you also know about the basic laws of thermodynamics and how a magic obesity gene would violate these. I study for a master's degree in engineering, and was among the top computer science students in both physics and chemistry, btw.
Weeeeellll, actually, now that you mention it......
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/267934.php
700 kCal = 2X strawberry cheesecake
so, listen to this
today, I had
1 banana
1 packet of crisps
2 x seed/nut/couscus salad
4 x cheesecake
1 x giant goats cheese pizza
most of the bottle of red wine
and people tell me I am not fat. Like, in what universe would this be? Why do people think that lying to your face is perfectly acceptable even when you, yourself have indicated you are perfectly aware of the fact you are fat?
It drives me really insane, this. grrrr
My reaction: O.o
I mean seriously?? This is the "nothing breakfast" for her??! I barely eat the half of this as breakfast!!
According to Fitday that is a 532 calorie meal. If she eats three meals like that, she's eating 1596 calories a day. That's not overeating unless she is very petite and/or bedridden. Oh, but I know, right? Fat people shouldn't eat at all! One time when I had this midwife who thought I was gaining too much weight during my pregnancy, she responded to hearing that I ate a banana AS MY BREAKFAST by saying "a banana has 100 calories!". Yeah. Apparently my meals should have been kept to less than a hundred calories, as a pregnant woman in my third trimester. Ok then.
By the way, if you don't have much appetite in the mornings and like a breakfast of 266 calories, that's fine. To each his own. Hell, I usually just have a cup of plain yogurt, myself. That does not mean eating an actual meal at breakfast is overeating, though.
Oh, and did you actually mean WHOLE CUCUMBERS? That's what I put in to Fitday, but that seems like a really weird thing to eat.
Can I be the 35% girl? She's hot.
Ideally, I'd like 20-25%. The 30 and 35 guys remind me of my brother and father respectively and it would ick me out. My bf is similar to 40% guy and from experience that's too much, it makes things difficult. I might go for 15% guy, if he were into me, but the other guys......no.
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My reaction: O.o
I mean seriously?? This is the "nothing breakfast" for her??! I barely eat the half of this as breakfast!!
According to Fitday that is a 532 calorie meal. If she eats three meals like that, she's eating 1596 calories a day. That's not overeating unless she is very petite and/or bedridden. Oh, but I know, right? Fat people shouldn't eat at all! One time when I had this midwife who thought I was gaining too much weight during my pregnancy, she responded to hearing that I ate a banana AS MY BREAKFAST by saying "a banana has 100 calories!". Yeah. Apparently my meals should have been kept to less than a hundred calories, as a pregnant woman in my third trimester. Ok then.
By the way, if you don't have much appetite in the mornings and like a breakfast of 266 calories, that's fine. To each his own. Hell, I usually just have a cup of plain yogurt, myself. That does not mean eating an actual meal at breakfast is overeating, though.
Oh, and did you actually mean WHOLE CUCUMBERS? That's what I put in to Fitday, but that seems like a really weird thing to eat.
She's very petite, about 5'0. I am petit too (163 cm), and yes whole cucumbers.
My point was that she was claiming doing hard diet, but for me this is a rich, not fatty, but still a rich breakfast (a "nothing" breakfast described by her), so I wonder what her non-diet breakfast was like.
Nothing wrong in eating a banana.