Define "Nice Guy" and define "Alpha Male" please. Really.
That's a pretty awful description of the issue. First, it is true (hint: research on the issue) that women want different qualities in one-night-stands and long term relationships, and it is typically in the latter context they want the nice guys, and in the former they can accept jerks (provided they seduce them in the NT correct way). Then, of course, this is all NT stuff, so has little relevance for people that don't want to hang out with NTs.
Yeah, and any sensible shy guy will not care about your opinions or the PUA experts, rather will go looking for a neurodiverse/shy girls that doesn't work in any of the ways you describe.
I also think that these terms are mostly used by male-virgins who mis-understand context in language and are somehow indocrinated with the idea that "women say that they want nice guys" whilst simultaneously trying to "do favours" for said women that they have an interest in screwing with absolute no clue as to how to actually seduce a lady, and they make the mistake of thinking that doing a "perceived favour" automatically makes the "recipient" obligated to return said favour (this is where the guy himself thinks himself to be a "nice guy" when in reality the "expectation" for "sexual-payment" makes him out to be more of a "creepy guy" instead in the perceptions of those he was attempting to woo).
Alpha-Male is a term that these virgins will come across in their desperate attempts to try & learn how to "get laid" and will often read publications from questionable authors who use said term of Alpha-Male & claim to sell material on secrets to seduction & speed-seduction & getting laid when they themselves (the authors) probably don't have a clue as to how to actually get a woman into bed. They sucker these poor "nice guys" (euphemism: creepy guys) into acting all dumb-ass & saying stupid things, and thus, causing these virgins to continue to ruin potential girl-friends or fuck-buddies or relationships through the "be an ass-hole to her" logic (the actual reason why that happens having more to do with "karmic" reasons than because of it being a turn-on), and they end up remaining as desperate virgins.
Ultimately, a real man knows how to make his own decisions, and the timid "non-alpha" man isn't really even a man, more like some little boy who still has to go about looking for so-called "experts" to tell him how to fix or solve problems, kind of like a boy who needs the girl to do his homework for him, rather than a man who already knows how to do all of his office-work but has the lady helping him with the work due to the amount of s**t that needs to get done, whilst the "nice/non-alpha" one doesn't have a clue how to even do s**t in life worth any sense of importance.
You've been spending a lot of time on Return of Kings, haven't you?
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White Knight (my opinion is that they are worse than nice guys).
why are people who defend women bad?
The white knight definition as I have seen it described (and witnessed among some) are that they will be quick to defend women, but seem to believe they are owed something for it later. They are more likely to think of themselves as "God's gift to women"
That's why male feminists are not much liked by feminists.
Feminists even suspect the guys who call themselves egalitarian.
Define feminist.
A person who supports feminism, duh.
Do you think I am a ret*d who doesn't know what it means?
Some are just "more equal" than others ...
A ridiculous assumption, of course. So many men out there who don't even meet that basic criteria and yet are spoiled for choice when it comes to sexual partners.
A ridiculous assumption, of course. So many men out there who don't even meet that basic criteria and yet are spoiled for choice when it comes to sexual partners.
It's a definition, not an assumption. Notice the quotation marks around the phrase being defined?
So a nice guy is a person who expects to be loved by someone simply for being a decent human being and it's horrible. Right?
No. The first key component of "nice guys" is entitlement. They don't just want attention from womyn for being "nice," they feel entitled to it.
The second key component is that they aren't actually nice; their "niceness" is, like I said, typically the bare minimum of human decency. I once read a long rant by a nice guy in which he complained about womyn being disinterested despite the fact that he wasn't abusive or a rapist. Those were his standards for "niceness": not actually being nice to people, but not being an as*hole.
No, the problem with "Nice Guys" is that they lack the physiological traits men need to attract the women. They use niceness as a way to try to court women because their niceness, whether it's genuine or not, is literally all they have. We should pity these men, not ridicule them.
As for the whole "entitlement" issue, I thinks that's pretty irrelevant. For most men, happiness comes from women. People (both men and women) tend to think they're entitled to the things they need, whether they actually are or not. I mean, you could make a very sound philosophical argument that the starving people in Africa aren't "entitled" to food or help from the outside worrld because it's mostly they're own fault that they're in the situation they are (which it is), but you can't reasonably expect them to stop asking for them, or seeking them out, or getting angry and frustrated if they don't get them, can you?
Some are, some are not. Again, as I explained before, it's not really relevant. All Nice Guys end the same way; bitter, disillusioned, jaded and alone. Whether their niceness was actually genuine or not doesn't matter.
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