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05 Aug 2015, 2:27 am

During my teenage and adult life, I have moved back and forth between the US and south america, and I have been in a long distance relationship for the past 7 years where we talk every day but see each other maybe 1-3 months a year. Although I am not religious, I would not consider a girl for a serious relationship (at least at this age) if she has previous sexual partners. Something about settling for another guy's sloppy seconds just really turns me off. My girl was a virgin when I met her, but when I moved back to the US, I convinced her to have an open relationship, since we would be apart for a while. She finally agreed to the open relationship, and about a year and a half later, she slept with a guy (the only time she did this) and called me up the same day crying about it. Then, a year and a half after that, she was about to sleep with another guy, but called it off at the last minute because she didn't want to hurt me. I know she didn't mean to hurt me with the first guy, and I had to talk her into the open relationship in the first place, it still bothers me and I cant get past it. The thought of her giving her body to another man in order to satisfy some sexual desire that I wasn't fulfilling repulses me, even if it was 5 years ago, and even though she never tried to hide it from me. On top of that, every time I try and talk about this with her, she tries to be polite but ends up getting very uncomfortable with the topic. And the few times we've talked about it openly, she ends up admitting things that I don't want to hear, like telling me that she was curious about sex with another man because sex with me was not as satisfying as she wanted.
The worst part about it is I could have stopped all this from happening 5 years ago with a simple phone call telling her "no more open relationship." In fact, I wouldn't even have had to give up my freedom. Right now, the agreement is that, when we're apart, I can f**k around with other girls but she can't with guys. And she seems to be fine with this, recognizing that as a man, I am not going to turn down an opportunity for sexual release, and at the same time if she were to get with another guy, it would damage our relationship beyond repair. I only with I had realized all this 5 years ago.


P.S. I would appreciate responses from more traditionally-minded people who understand the differences between men and women. I would prefer not to get responses telling me I'm sexist, or telling me I shouldn't care about a woman't "purity," or that there is nothing wrong with a woman pursuing casual sex like a man.



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05 Aug 2015, 4:08 am

Do you ask if what she did is equal to cheating, or what you do?

By the way traditional minded people doesn't mean that they think the man is allowed to f*** around and the woman can't. Unless you mean like traditional in 34 B.C.



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05 Aug 2015, 4:23 am

This is really simple: If you want an open relationship you'd have to accept that your partner shows interest for other guys, otherwise you are not up to it and you shouldn't suggest it. Additionally, unless you are asexual, an open relationship usually also means your partner can have sex with other guys. If you cannot accept that, you can negotiate that neither of you can have sex with other people while still being allowed to connect emotionally to others.

IMHO, you simply cannot keep this one-sided so you can do whatever you want while your partner cannot.



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05 Aug 2015, 6:14 am

So in response to the question, I don't think anybody cheated given you negotiated an open relationship.

Personally, I can handle polyamory, but I wouldn't be able to handle my partner having sex with other guys. That's simply disgusting so I would think she was disgusting just by doing that. As I'm asexual myself, I wouldn't want to have sex with anybody (unless I wanted to reproduce). That means I need a partner that is asexual, and preferentially polyamory.



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05 Aug 2015, 6:29 am

If they agreed to a relationship open only for him, it's perfectly okay. It's nobody's business but theirs.

I wouldn't want a relationship on unequal terms for myself, but this is irrelevant.


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05 Aug 2015, 6:59 am

Spiderpig wrote:
If they agreed to a relationship open only for him, it's perfectly okay. It's nobody's business but theirs.


I don't think they did. I think they agreed on an open relationship, which would normally work both ways.



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05 Aug 2015, 7:55 am

Robin Banks wrote:
as a man, I am not going to turn down an opportunity for sexual release, and at the same time if she were to get with another guy, it would damage our relationship beyond repair.

I feel pretty bad for her, that she has to deal with feeling awful for sleeping with someone five years ago when you told her it was okay, and isn't allowed to anymore because it will 'damage your relationship' (read: damage your ego) for her to do that, while you do whatever you want whenever you need 'release' because being male apparently entitles you to do that. Or maybe her being female entitles her to have no feelings about what you're doing with other women?

Hopefully she will learn that she deserves better than you and stop allowing herself to be controlled by a hypocrite a thousand miles away.



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05 Aug 2015, 8:00 am

Robin Banks wrote:
During my teenage and adult life, I have moved back and forth between the US and south america, and I have been in a long distance relationship for the past 7 years where we talk every day but see each other maybe 1-3 months a year. Although I am not religious, I would not consider a girl for a serious relationship (at least at this age) if she has previous sexual partners.


Why not? Think about this for a minute, you don't expect women to worry much about whether you've had previous sexual partners but if a girl has, then you'll judger her for this? Do you think that this is fair?

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Something about settling for another guy's sloppy seconds just really turns me off.


Is that how you think of girls, possessions of guys to use for sex?

Robin Banks wrote:
My girl was a virgin when I met her, but when I moved back to the US, I convinced her to have an open relationship, since we would be apart for a while. She finally agreed to the open relationship, and about a year and a half later, she slept with a guy (the only time she did this) and called me up the same day crying about it. Then, a year and a half after that, she was about to sleep with another guy, but called it off at the last minute because she didn't want to hurt me. I know she didn't mean to hurt me with the first guy, and I had to talk her into the open relationship in the first place, it still bothers me and I cant get past it. The thought of her giving her body to another man in order to satisfy some sexual desire that I wasn't fulfilling repulses me, even if it was 5 years ago, and even though she never tried to hide it from me. On top of that, every time I try and talk about this with her, she tries to be polite but ends up getting very uncomfortable with the topic. And the few times we've talked about it openly, she ends up admitting things that I don't want to hear, like telling me that she was curious about sex with another man because sex with me was not as satisfying as she wanted.
The worst part about it is I could have stopped all this from happening 5 years ago with a simple phone call telling her "no more open relationship." In fact, I wouldn't even have had to give up my freedom. Right now, the agreement is that, when we're apart, I can f**k around with other girls but she can't with guys. And she seems to be fine with this, recognizing that as a man, I am not going to turn down an opportunity for sexual release, and at the same time if she were to get with another guy, it would damage our relationship beyond repair. I only with I had realized all this 5 years ago.


If you both agreed to an open relationship, then in essence, it's not cheating if she slept with another guy because by agreeing to an open relationship, you gave her permission to do that. The whole purpose of open relationships are to give permission to each other to sleep with other people under agreed terms as long as you're open about it and don't hide it from each other. If you hadn't agreed to an open relationship and she slept with another guy behind your back without telling you, then that would be cheating. If you're not comfortable with open relationships, and not everyone is, then you don't have to agree to one.

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P.S. I would appreciate responses from more traditionally-minded people who understand the differences between men and women.


What's that supposed to mean? First of all, traditionally-minded people don't necessarily have a better understanding of the differences between men and women than anyone else. Secondly, regardless of those differences are, they don't make men having many sexual partners any more right or wrong than if women did.

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I would prefer not to get responses telling me I'm sexist, or telling me I shouldn't care about a woman't "purity," or that there is nothing wrong with a woman pursuing casual sex like a man.


Sorry but slut-shaming seems sexist to me.



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05 Aug 2015, 9:16 am

rdos wrote:
I don't think they did. I think they agreed on an open relationship, which would normally work both ways.


Robin Banks wrote:
Right now, the agreement is that, when we're apart, I can f**k around with other girls but she can't with guys. And she seems to be fine with this, recognizing that as a man, I am not going to turn down an opportunity for sexual release, and at the same time if she were to get with another guy, it would damage our relationship beyond repair.


They may have agreed initially to a relationship open both ways, but they agreed to change it so now it's open one way only.


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05 Aug 2015, 9:26 am

Spiderpig wrote:
rdos wrote:
I don't think they did. I think they agreed on an open relationship, which would normally work both ways.


Robin Banks wrote:
Right now, the agreement is that, when we're apart, I can f**k around with other girls but she can't with guys. And she seems to be fine with this, recognizing that as a man, I am not going to turn down an opportunity for sexual release, and at the same time if she were to get with another guy, it would damage our relationship beyond repair.


They may have agreed initially to a relationship open both ways, but they agreed to change it so now it's open one way only.


I still don't think it is ok. You cannot change the rules like that on-the-fly because you realize you cannot handle what you initially agreed upon. This seems more like blackmail than anything sound. If this guy had any decent morals he would stop f**king other women and stop blaming his bad behavior on being unable to turn down women. Because it doesn't work like that: A guy needs to charm and chase women in order to get sex, so he simply is not turning them down, he is actively chasing them and cheating.

Also note that the girl reluctantly agreed on an open relationship, which probably means she is not really ok with him f**king other women.



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05 Aug 2015, 9:36 am

Robin Banks wrote:
Something about settling for another guy's sloppy seconds just really turns me off.


Yeah, no one's going to find this ^ objectionable. :roll:



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05 Aug 2015, 10:25 am

This is really more on you and not her, not to mention the fact that you clearly lack both sexual-knowledge & experience, otherwise sex with you would have been satisfying to her to such a point where she wouldn't have felt any need nor curiosity about what it feels like to have sex with any other guy. When you capture a girl's heart whilst she's a virgin, she would have definitely kept herself just for you, even in a long-distance relationship, but at this point you were simply inexperienced with the pros & cons of relationships, and from the sounds of it she doesn't really want you to disappear from her life (probably because it sounds like she's probably not very sure if any other guy would be willing to stay with her for as long as you have & that kind of thought probably scares her which is probably why she's agreed to such things with you, but as it's not necessarily « cheating » that you two have agreed to in your relationship, the agreement-terms are somewhat lop-sided, and I've been in relationships before where the woman wanted to keep me so badly [even though she wasn't a virgin] that she even exclaimed out that I could have as many other girls as I wanted, but for me to just not leave her [i.e.: she wanted to keep me for her man so that she could continue riding me every day, and we were often doing each other several times a day, but she made it clear that it didn't feel too good to her that I had any sexual-interest in other {younger} females, although she'd have preferred letting me do it with every girl that I wanted just as long as our relationship were to continue, for no other man in her entire life had made her feel as much happiness as I was able to give her]).

Not everybody is able to be honest with their feelings, and of those who are, feelings may end up getting hurt, and you shouldn't be putting either her nor yourself into situations where feelings may get unnecessarily damaged. That is kind of like a cat-owner who thinks that his cat is very smart & well-trained enough to be allowed out-side at night even amongst the presence of coyotes, only to end up finding his cat never returning after that day, and in your ignorance you've allowed some damage to already happen. The man has the responsibility to protect the feelings of the woman or any woman he's pursued (although it's not uncommon for multiple sexual-partners to exist amongst various percentages of the population, except with females, multiple-partners do not occur simultaneously, but she will typically stick with one for at least three months at a time before even considering other sex-partners [according to studies on promiscuity], whilst men are more-often polygamous rather than serial-monogamous).


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05 Aug 2015, 10:28 am

Is this a joke? Surely this is a joke. OP can't possibly be serious. This is the dumbest sh*t I have ever read.



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05 Aug 2015, 10:48 am

No she didn't cheat because you were in an open relationship.

The fact she has agreed to remain faithful to you while you sleep around now means either that you are so controlling that she will agree to whatever you want or that she just doesn't care who you're sleeping with (and is probably sleeping with other guys too and just not telling you).



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05 Aug 2015, 1:39 pm

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You cannot change the rules like that on-the-fly because you realize you cannot handle what you initially agreed upon.


You can change the rules at any time if the other party agrees, as is the case here. The reason for the change or lack thereof is immaterial.

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This seems more like blackmail than anything sound.


There's no evidence of threats of force towards her. There's no blackmail if she freely agreed to the unequal terms of the relationship. It only means the relationship with him is so very valuable to her.

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If this guy had any decent morals he would stop f**king other women and stop blaming his bad behavior on being unable to turn down women.


There's no bad behavior in the first place: both are doing what they freely agreed to. And just because you're able to turn down sex doesn't mean you need to.

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Because it doesn't work like that: A guy needs to charm and chase women in order to get sex, so he simply is not turning them down, he is actively chasing them and cheating.


How he gets sex we don't know and is irrelevant, as they agreed he can have it.

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Also note that the girl reluctantly agreed on an open relationship, which probably means she is not really ok with him f**king other women.


She wasn't reluctant enough to reject the deal, which means she prefers these terms to losing him.


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05 Aug 2015, 4:44 pm

The problem here, is that you offered her an open relationship (probably hoping that you could sleep around, and she wouldn't), and then she took you up on your offer.

Be careful what you wish for.