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29 Jul 2015, 3:52 pm

Men, please read the following article and give your opinion of what is correct in the article and what is not correct in the article in regards to what a woman would need to be like in order to be the "perfect wife" for you.

https://boldanddetermined.com/pick-the-right-wife/


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29 Jul 2015, 4:30 pm

I don't know what is "correct"; I know the idea of having that kind of marriage makes me want to throw up. I'm not really worried, though, because I know I'd have a snowball's chance in hell to end up in that situation even if I tried to.

I wonder why you bother to look for texts like those. I can't even read it without feeling I'm stupidly wasting precious time I could have devoted to something that actually increased my chances to get what I want in life. It seems like a good way to torture yourself.


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29 Jul 2015, 4:36 pm

I can not confirm this statement:

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True happiness for a woman comes from her family, it does not come from her career, or her "independence", or her sexually liberated point of view.
Whether or not this statement is valid for all women, everywhere, is beyond the scope of the article.

Current social standards have made this statement obsolete:
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... non-sissified sons and girlish daughters ...
Some people's natural behavior simply does not comply with traditional gender role-models.

The rest of the article goes downhill from there.



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29 Jul 2015, 4:41 pm

nurseangela wrote:
Men, please read the following article and give your opinion of what is correct in the article and what is not correct in the article in regards to what a woman would need to be like in order to be the "perfect wife" for you.

https://boldanddetermined.com/pick-the-right-wife/


Nearly all of that article is wrong. I noticed something wrong even from the first part saying when you should get married:

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There are only two reasons a man should ever get married:

1) He wants to start a family.

2) His career or political ambitions demand he has a wife (he is interested in going into politics). We will not talk about this except to say that a political wife is for show and show only. For this article we will assume the reader falls into the first category.


First of all, you don't have to get married to start a family or simply for show. You can get married just for companionship but don't have to want to have children.



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29 Jul 2015, 4:42 pm

That post is the most worthless thing I've seen today. I'm pretty sure it made me vomit a little in my mouth. Do men actually believe this crap? I couldn't make it past the first few bullet points.

I say this as a man who has gone through a nasty divorce. Don't fall for this PUA crap.


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29 Jul 2015, 4:43 pm

Spiderpig wrote:
I don't know what is "correct"; I know the idea of having that kind of marriage makes me want to throw up. I'm not really worried, though, because I know I'd have a snowball's chance in hell to end up in that situation even if I tried to.

I wonder why you bother to look for texts like those. I can't even read it without feeling I'm stupidly wasting precious time I could have devoted to something that actually increased my chances to get what I want in life. It seems like a good way to torture yourself.


The reason I picked it is because there are certain things listed in it that I have read in responses about women from men on this site and on another Asperger site. I just wanted to see how men actually think about articles such as this one.


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29 Jul 2015, 4:47 pm

Fnord wrote:
I can not confirm this statement:
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True happiness for a woman comes from her family, it does not come from her career, or her "independence", or her sexually liberated point of view.
Whether or not this statement is valid for all women, everywhere, is beyond the scope of the article.

Current social standards have made this statement obsolete:
Quote:
... non-sissified sons and girlish daughters ...
Some people's natural behavior simply does not comply with traditional gender role-models.

The rest of the article goes downhill from there.


The first quote may very well be true. Life is pretty lonely by oneself. Women are also made to have children so I might believe a part of a woman could be missing something if they decide to not have children.


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29 Jul 2015, 4:51 pm

Jono wrote:
nurseangela wrote:
Men, please read the following article and give your opinion of what is correct in the article and what is not correct in the article in regards to what a woman would need to be like in order to be the "perfect wife" for you.

https://boldanddetermined.com/pick-the-right-wife/


Nearly all of that article is wrong. I noticed something wrong even from the first part saying when you should get married:

Quote:
There are only two reasons a man should ever get married:

1) He wants to start a family.

2) His career or political ambitions demand he has a wife (he is interested in going into politics). We will not talk about this except to say that a political wife is for show and show only. For this article we will assume the reader falls into the first category.


First of all, you don't have to get married to start a family or simply for show. You can get married just for companionship but don't have to want to have children.


Most marriages are for the purpose of starting a family. In NT Land, when a couple gets married the inlaws are always asking "so when are you going to start a family?"

I can also see where #2 would make sense because single politicians don't go over as well as married ones. I would be more inclined to think of a single politician (in Congress or the Presidency) as being more of a playboy. I need to look up how many single politicians there have been.


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29 Jul 2015, 5:00 pm

I think it's each individual woman's business to choose her goals, no matter what someone else decides they should be. And you don't necessarily have to choose between having children and a career, especially if their father takes responsibility for their upbringing, too. If you distrust him, well, I think it's a bad idea to have children with him in the first place, unless you just want a sperm donor to raise your kids on your own.


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29 Jul 2015, 5:02 pm

I had actually thought about #8 - the prenup.

I believe in #11.

We were talking about #7 in another thread today about how women are supposed to be in regards to society's standards.

I'm laughing, but #6 is true. Me and my Ma were just talking about that last night - how much daycare is for a child. This one was $75 a day. That wipes out a lot of people's income pretty quick. Just for the daycare is enough reason that women should stay at home.

#4 and #5 were being discussed in another thread just recently about if one of the members here would date a 5'6" 250 lb woman.

My Aspie friend believes in #2.

AND I actually saw the answer to #1 in another thread.

That's why I picked this article and wanted to know the men's responses to it (and women too.)


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29 Jul 2015, 5:05 pm

nurseangela wrote:
Fnord wrote:
I can not confirm this statement:
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True happiness for a woman comes from her family, it does not come from her career, or her "independence", or her sexually liberated point of view.
Whether or not this statement is valid for all women, everywhere, is beyond the scope of the article.

Current social standards have made this statement obsolete:
Quote:
... non-sissified sons and girlish daughters ...
Some people's natural behavior simply does not comply with traditional gender role-models.

The rest of the article goes downhill from there.


The first quote may very well be true. Life is pretty lonely by oneself. Women are also made to have children so I might believe a part of a woman could be missing something if they decide to not have children.


Back to this again, I have actually thought a lot about me and kids and I never regretted not having kids, but there is a part of me that thinks I did miss out on something. Thing is, I just never found the right guy so the situation never presented itself. I guess that's fate.


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29 Jul 2015, 5:08 pm

What kind of guy would have been the right guy? Maybe they didn't like your ideas about marriage or how to raise children?


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29 Jul 2015, 5:16 pm

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What kind of guy would have been the right guy? Maybe they didn't like your ideas about marriage or how to raise children?


I've never gotten far enough to discuss marriage and kids with any guy, except the first guy I dated. Looking back now, I didn't love him and the conditions weren't really set up for marriage. I didn't have the greatest of jobs (realtor) and he was a loan officer and we both lived at home still with our parents. He was young enough that he still wanted to date other people so I decided I wasn't going to wait for him to decide what I was going to do. From then on, every guy I met found something wrong with me (my age, I didn't put out) and I found something wrong with them (they drank too much, didn't have a decent job). Then I started focusing on school and time got away from me. Now I'm pretty much set in my ways and looking for particular things in a person that I would mesh with. It's not about having a family anymore.

The thing is as you get older then the guys available already have baggage that I don't want to deal with. This is making me think too much about the past and I hate that. My realtor that sold me my condo - I was friends with her and knew her from my realtor days. She wanted me to go out with her son that I had actually went to middle school and high school with. He had been on the football team and I sure wasn't any cheerleader back then. However, things change after high school so I thought I might give it a go. Problem is, he had just gotten divorced after a 5 yr marriage (no kids) and would go down to this bar close to my condo and drink every weekend. His mom thought that I could change him. Nope, not going there. That kind of stuff is what I would run into.


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29 Jul 2015, 7:27 pm

It seems people are taking the article seriously? Or are the people replying also just joking around?



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29 Jul 2015, 7:33 pm

yellowtamarin wrote:
It seems people are taking the article seriously? Or are the people replying also just joking around?
Some people take this guy seriously. Mostly men who have been divorced, or who display Uber-Alpha-Male attitudes; that is, where the man is the hunter/warrior who earns money for the household and rules over it like a king, and where women are stay-at-home baby factories who serve and obey their husbands, and who never grow old or gain weight.



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29 Jul 2015, 7:39 pm

Fnord wrote:
yellowtamarin wrote:
It seems people are taking the article seriously? Or are the people replying also just joking around?
Some people take this guy seriously. Mostly men who have been divorced, or who display Uber-Alpha-Male attitudes; that is, where the man is the hunter/warrior who earns money for the household and rules over it like a king, and where women are stay-at-home baby factories who serve and obey their husbands, and who never grow old or gain weight.

This is sad news. I honestly thought it was satire.