I am new, relationship problems
I am new to WP. I believe my husband of 17yrs. has Aspergers Syndrome. To say at the least, my marriage has never been boring.
I also believe that my daughter has Aspergers. She also has ODD, ADHD, Tourette's Syndrome, and borderline bipolar. I have been trying to convince my husband to get diagnosed, but no avail, is there any behavioral modification type treatments out there? Or at least learn communication skills? I feel so alone in my household, as if I am the only adult. My daughter and husband tend to fight, tell on each other. I have felt at times as if I have had to "raise" my husband. I am a christian and do not believe in divorce. I really want to make this marriage work. I would like a 6 mos. separation to rid myself of any bitterness/resentment that is in my heart and then really apply myself to my marriage and my 2 kids. Kids would be with me. Is there anyone out there who is like me or has AS can tell me what kind of repocussion a separation would have on my husband and daughter. I am trying to do whats right, but a majority of the time I am pretty stressed out. I am a college student as well. Thanks for any comments.
There is no treatment but you could always consider going to a therapist who works with couples with AS issues.There are also a few books on the topic that might be helpful.
As far as your 6 month sabatical.Most people with As dont like change but if he can take care of things like paying the bills and feeding himself,then you could always present it to him as an opption.Does he even think there is anything wrong with your relationship as it is....if not,not likely to change.Change is difficult based on a law of physics....things in motion tend to stay in motion going the same direction unless a large amount of energy to exerted to alter it,(or something like that).
I would start with the books and checking out local Autism support groups for names of counslors.Has your daughter been DXed professionally,there does appear to be a genetic component to AS.Has your husband read information about it to help him understand his daughter?I think that is important(I dont know how he could fail to recoginise himself in the description but maybe he just doesnt see it as a "problem".What is a problem is that the family dynamics doesnt sound healthy and an AS therapist might offer something for the whole family.(I wouldnt trust going to someone who doesnt specialize in AS)
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larsenjw92286
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Hi, and welcome!
I'm sorry to hear about your relationship problems. It makes me cringe to think that you have to raise your husband. Some people are like that.
I hope things improve with you soon!
I am going to do a very aspie-like thing and be blunt. You've been married to a man with AS for seventeen years?? Wow. I guess I don't understand how you could have dealt with everything for so long and now all of a sudden you feel you need a break.
How did your husband and daughter get diagnosed? How does your husband feel about AS? For a lot of us, knowing that we really are different comes as a huge relief. My partner and I discovered my AS after we'd been together a while, and knowing what we do has made it easier for us to understand each other. I now know why certain things bother me and vice versa.
I don't believe there is any behavior mod treatment for adults. Some people believe in cognitive behavioral therapy, others don't.
I recommend you get books on the subject for all 3 of you, and that you have your husband and daughter check out WP to see if it can be a source of support and education.
Good luck.
There is no treatment if you are looking for something to make him start reading your eyes and non-verbal or subcontexts. The one thing you can do right now to help things is just flat out say what you mean. Don't sugar coat it or try to be subtle because you might as well speak Russian to him for all the good it will do you. You need to forget everything you know about communicating with other people and start talking to him like he's Mr. Spock. If you've been getting emotional about it, you need to stop. That might feel great to you, but it will put him into overload and he won't hear a word you say. Calm down and talk rationally. Say exactly what you want. "I want you to _____." Insert whatever there. Hold me. Kiss me. Talk to me. Whatever it is, say it. If he had been in a car accident and could no longer understand all of your non-verbal clues and what your facial expressions and eyes were trying to tell him, you might be completely frustrated by how hard it is to communicate, but you would not expect it to change. You'd know that continuing to try to communicate that way would be useless no matter how hard and frustrating the alternative was.
The same is going to be true of your daughter so learning how to communicate with one will help you learn how to communicate with the other. If you want him to ask how you are, tell him to ask that and when you want it asked. He'll respond to that, but he won't respond to occasionally because that is too ambiguous. He is not going to understand why you want him to do that. It makes no sense to us. If you look fine, you are fine. We can learn to ask those things by rote, not because we "understand" why people need that. All we'll ever understand is that you seem to need it and it makes you happy. If you ask him that, you probably get a confused, blank or irritated look. That's because if we aren't fine, we'd tell you. That's difficult for you to understand and accept, but again, if you think of it from the perspective of how you would deal with it if an injury caused these differences, you'd understand that you wouldn't think it would magically get better.
I can only tell you what works for my husband and I. We've been together a long time. We work because he's always dealt with my differences on an intellectual and logical level. I talk to him because he stays calm and he says exactly what he means and what he wants. There's no subtlety or hidden meanings. He doesn't expect me to magically know how he feels. He knows I won't. So he just says it. He knows I will never ask if he's hungry or feels alright or any of that. If he wants me to do that, he tells me to do it, but he still doesn't expect me to realize when or understand why. On the other hand, things about him don't bother me that no other woman would live with. I know it and so does he.
Yes, in some ways he acts like my parent. He explains things to me that I don't get. He does things that I can't because of my sensory issues. He worries that someone will hurt me or take advantage of me. But, I let him have everything his own way in the house and the yard. I let him have his own way with how we handle the bills, the money, etc. He feels like he's in control of his world and I feel like my world is controlled and safe.
Probably by most Shrink's standards we're incompatible, but most shrinks couldn't get a marriage through 26 years so I could care less what they think. Works for us.
In your case you probably need to look at why you were with him in the first place. My husband knows exactly why he wanted to be with me and he never thought I would change. I would hazard a guess that you thought your husband would change and that's what's causing the issue. A six month sabbatical isn't going to change that. You're going to have to stop talking to him like you do everyone else and deal with it a different way. He'll work with you, but he has to understand exactly what you want. That's what causes most Aspie/NT marriages to fail. The Aspie has no idea what the NT wants and the NT thinks it's all perfectly obvious. Well, you wouldn't think that way if his brain was different from a car accident. Honestly, if Shrinks just told you that up front, it would probably be much easier to deal with it.
So just go to him and spit it out. Forget about polite, emotion and all that good NT stuff. It can't help you here.
Hope that helps. I didn't mean it to sound harsh and I'm sorry because I know when I write (and speak) it sounds harsh. It's just me spitting out what I mean and not sugar coating it. So please don't read anything else into it. I'm actually just trying to help you understand and be able to do something to make things better. Good luck.
Oh and here's something else that will help him feel connected to you. Whatever his interests are, try to share some of them. That is a really big factor in why my husband and I work. Of course we always had interests in common, but if you didn't, it will really help if you learn about some of his interests (and your daughter's) and share them. We get really excited about our interests and we get even more excited when we can actually find someone to share that with. That is what gives us the warm fuzzy. That's when we are most likely to give the warm fuzzy back. So see if you have any of those that would work out. That is VERY important with your daughter. It's hands down the best thing you could ever do for her.
Okay first...realize that a diagnosis at this point in his life probably won't mean anything...it is a piece of paper, nothing more, nothing less...it won't change anything. If you can get him to read a little about the subject, become more aware of it...that's very helpful.
As an older Aspie who didn't really become aware that she was an Aspie until I was in my mid 30's...I had always had the view that I was "normal"...it was everyone else who was "strange".
There's is no "behavior modification"...you don't change because this is genetic and essentially you CAN'T change although you can make yourself miserable and half crazy trying. You CAN become more aware of your behavior and modify it to some extent using that awareness...and you as his wife can become more educated on why he is the way he is.
A six month separation after 17 years together could work either way...most of us don't like change, he could become very willing to try to work on issues in an effort for normalcy to return to his life...or it might make him slam closed the doors of communication you already have open and withdraw more, viewing it as a sort of "betrayal" of the trust he already has for you....I have to say personally I'm a door slammer myself.
It also could be very hard for you daughter....again, change is not normally viewed as a "good thing" for many of us.
Good Luck with your decisions and I hope whatever they may be that life becomes a little less stressful for you.
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davesaint
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KitKat,
You sound like my wife. She's pretty sick of me also. She's says I'm not there emotionally and show know empathy for her when she is hurt. I'm not a dx Aspie. Dont' know if I am. We've been seeing a marriage counselor for our problems and the marriage counselor suggested that I may be an Aspie. What is is doing to make you so upset that you want to separate?
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Smelena
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I've been married for 12 years and strongly suspect my husband has Asperger's.
Two things saved my marriage: Recognising his Asperger's and that you need to communicate with him differently; and I went to marriage counselling (by myself).
One of the best tips my marriage counsellor gave me was that you need to be extremely specific with what you want.
I had been complaining for years about lack of affection and saying "I want you to be more affectionate." I ended up getting specific, "I want you to kiss me everytime you go to work, kiss me when you arrive home, and cuddle on the couch with me for 10 minutes every evening."
Another thing was I never thought he was listening to me because his facial expression stays the same and he doesn't look at me. But now I realise he is listening.
I believe there are a few good books about having a relationship with an Aspie.
And think of all the benefits. My husband is loyal and honest. I don't have to constantly entertain him - he's got his stamp collection.
Good luck
Smelena
