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TheSpectrum
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29 Jun 2016, 1:12 pm

It's no secret the UK's non straight white males as a majority are very left leaning in political views.
After much assessment, I've come to realise that due to my political beliefs:

-I have nothing in common with my gamer crowds,
-I have nothing in common with the artists I used to hang out with, and organise events with,
-I have little in common with my peers, they are somewhat divided,
-I have nothing in common with previous crowds I went to school with or worked with,
-The ones i do share common views with unfortunately also hold a lot of views about foreigners, pay, governance, work, art, and all my hobbies that equally isolate me from them and would not want me to be seen as associated with them.

It only took the Brexit to figure that out, eh!

Short of leaving the Uk it seems my best alternative to finding a girlfriend in the States, Canada, Aus or NZ.
Rather than dwell on it, and blame anybody, I think it's better I figure out how to meet women from there that...want to meet guys from here!

Are there any tips or advice from people who have had long term LDR's where to go from here? I've had LDR's before, but with varied success and from European/South American background so culture will be different.


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29 Jun 2016, 1:29 pm

Lol, wait, so you're saying Brexit is changing your dating preferences? Not to minimize the issues, but you seriously need to get a hold of a journalist, there is bound to be one interested. I can see the headline now "Brexit, it's not just having a negative effect on your stock portfolio it could also negatively effect your love life as well, more after the break!"

In all seriousness though, I can't speak for NZ or Aus, but I've been to Canada a few times and I've been through over half the contiguous U.S. and I can say Brits are pretty much like both those cultures when compared to the 200+ other nation-state cultures out there. You'll run into one of two camps over here: 1. Brits sound soooo intelligent, it's such a turn-on! or 2. They don't do dentists and they all have crooked grody teeth, ew.

So yeah, pretty much what you'd get from anywhere else: half will like you, half will despise you. As for LDR, couldn't say how that would affect it, but I'd assume if you were to visit over here you'd probably need to get more documentation than you'd need to stroll around the rest of Europe.

Anyhow, best of luck.



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29 Jun 2016, 1:35 pm

The UK has about 60 million people, and probably about 30 million women.

I don't know the population of your town and city.

But....I'm sure you'll find somebody who shares your political views in the UK. I'm sure you'll find somebody attractive in the UK. There are very many attractive women in the UK.

If you happen to meet a Yank, Aussie, Kiwi, Canuck, or whatever who really likes you, and you like her--cool!

From what I would gather about people who have shared things pertaining to LDR's--they are usually doomed to failure because of the sheer distance.



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29 Jun 2016, 1:40 pm

Ok... you might be surprised from what I am gonna say:

Why don't you check WP ladies? :lol:
Seriously, some are very cool.

UK members here are a second majority and you might share some views with them; it would br easier than going LDR with someone living on the other side of the planet.



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29 Jun 2016, 1:41 pm

Trying to figure out what Brexit has to do with being gay or liking video games.... :?



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29 Jun 2016, 1:43 pm

^ He is talking about No women prospects, so he's not gay (bi possibly?).



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29 Jun 2016, 1:48 pm

Aristophanes wrote:
Lol, wait, so you're saying Brexit is changing your dating preferences?

Definitely not changing them, but limiting them even further. Frankly people have used the Leave/Remain debate as a podium for their identity politics and it's been made very clear by a lot of people in the cities most local to me there is a certain way to think and I simply don't conform with all the crowds of people I have tried to integrate with.

Everything including hobbies eventually leads back to politics and an attempt to pander to peer groups or appear virtuous, there's no room to just have opposing views about things, get on with life and enjoy the people you're with. Even though I often donate to charity, have alt ethnic background, am incredibly liberal on many things I am still left feeling like a Pariah who can't even engage in a conversation with almost everyone I know without having to resort to sitting on the fence, unless it's to do with football and if I'm lucky, a movie. It makes conversation (which I've spent years trying to master) very dull, very difficult, and even more exhausting than it already is given my condition.

And no I'm not gay or bi. I just use very genderless language most of the time. It's a habit I seemed to have developed over time.


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29 Jun 2016, 1:51 pm

How are you a pariah if you have moderate views?

People who are pariahs tend to have extremist views.

I'm thinking: maybe you want somebody too much like you?



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29 Jun 2016, 1:52 pm

So the main political dividion in UK now is Leave camp vs Remain camp? Rather than Labour vs Conservatives...?



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29 Jun 2016, 1:54 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
How are you a pariah if you have moderate views?

People who are pariahs tend to have extremist views.

I'm thinking: maybe you want somebody too much like you?



Yes you can, if moderates in such country are a minority.

I am in the same situation; rightists are too religious and conservatives, leftists are too communist ans hippy...

I am neither of those.



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29 Jun 2016, 1:56 pm

It's understandable. The economic future of the UK is something to be concerned about. It is very "up in the air" right now. It can go either way. Good or bad.

I understand the sovereignty-type issues involved in people who don't want to have policy dictated by the EU.

But I also understand why people want to be secure economically--so I understand the Remain camp as well.

All in all, if I were a Brit, I would have probably voted to Remain.

By the way: in my encounters with people in the UK, I find them, in general, to be much more "moderate" in most things than Americans.



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29 Jun 2016, 1:58 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
How are you a pariah if you have moderate views?
People who are pariahs tend to have extremist views.
I'm thinking: maybe you want somebody too much like you?

Without wanting to be too divisive which I fear will be the case anyway, I find a majority of people I know personally's views too extreme and they insist on making those views a part of their every day lives, and a thing you must adhere to in order to be truly accepted.

There are other moderates like myself but unfortunately the ones I've managed to meet are either old guys, or women that are not in my desired age group (mid 20's to late 30's).

And what boo said.


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29 Jun 2016, 2:01 pm

We've encountered different people then.

Nobody I know is a pariah because they express moderate views. Most people are too occupied living their individual and (yes) selfish lives to really feel the desire to go extreme in politics.

Most people I encounter really don't want to discuss politics at all. And they certainly don't want to argue about it.

Much of this sort of thing happens within academic settings, I find.

Most people don't like people who express extremist views; if somebody strongly presents a political view, most people will seek to shut them up by telling them to "get a life," chill out, relax, etc.

Real life is not the Internet.



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29 Jun 2016, 2:03 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Real life is not the Internet.

Maybe not, but watching young people use the Internet and social media without restraint is enough to put people off them in real life for good!


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29 Jun 2016, 2:09 pm

TheSpectrum wrote:
Aristophanes wrote:
Lol, wait, so you're saying Brexit is changing your dating preferences?

Definitely not changing them, but limiting them even further. Frankly people have used the Leave/Remain debate as a podium for their identity politics and it's been made very clear by a lot of people in the cities most local to me there is a certain way to think and I simply don't conform with all the crowds of people I have tried to integrate with.

Everything including hobbies eventually leads back to politics and an attempt to pander to peer groups or appear virtuous, there's no room to just have opposing views about things, get on with life and enjoy the people you're with. Even though I often donate to charity, have alt ethnic background, am incredibly liberal on many things I am still left feeling like a Pariah who can't even engage in a conversation with almost everyone I know without having to resort to sitting on the fence, unless it's to do with football and if I'm lucky, a movie. It makes conversation (which I've spent years trying to master) very dull, very difficult, and even more exhausting than it already is given my condition.

And no I'm not gay or bi. I just use very genderless language most of the time. It's a habit I seemed to have developed over time.


Realize that as the issue fades in memory, so will your current interaction style with your current peer group. My point is, it's a temporary political debate that will move on. Just realize, not everyone's going to agree with you on all things, and they may vehemently disagree with you on some, as long there's mutual respect it's nothing that can't be worked around if you value the other qualities your friends provide and vice versa. That being said, if you saw a side of your friends you didn't like and can't accept, then by all means move on.



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29 Jun 2016, 2:11 pm

You do understand that the anonymity of the Internet has much to do with the vitriol that people express on the Internet?

People who espouse extremist views on the Internet, most likely, are merely just "venting." They are only expressing one aspect of themselves.

In real life, do you think these people will have anybody who listens to them?

I work in a legal setting. There are many woman lawyers and judges. I've never had ONE WOMAN upbraid me for opening a door for her, or for other "social niceties." Many of them espouse Feminist views--but they realize that people are people, and are not part of some Patriarchy/Matriarchy, whatever. They don't get all hung up on being offended by every little thing.