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07 Jul 2016, 10:00 pm

Just got in a fight with my dude. He's got AS and has been struggling with depression and I'm an NT and we've been together for 8 years.

Basically I cleaned the whole house and the previous day then he made a mess in the kitchen. So I said "hey, i just cleaned, please help me keep it clean." So he said he would do it, but later. I let it go and figured later was fine and not worth whining about. He doesn't work and had all day to do it. He played video games all day. Then he laid down on the couch with me and I said "if you think you might fall asleep, take care of the dishes first" and he said he wasn't going to, but then he did. This was at like 9, he woke back up around 11 and I was like "please take care of the dishes before you go to bed because you said you would take care of them later today this morning, and you haven't." And he said "I can't."

I got upset and kept begging him to get up and then he left. When he cooled down I talked to him and he says that i think he doesn't want to do something and that i don't understand the difference between can't do something and not wanting to do something.

And i don't.

He was physically capable of putting the dishes. He was able to get up, punch the door and drive away. Can't to me for something simple like that is a physical thing.

What is can't to a person with AS? What does it feel like?



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07 Jul 2016, 10:21 pm

I'm not sure what your partner experienced, but I've had episodes during depression when my mind literally can't think of the first step required to complete a task, so I can't begin. It's like my brain is paralyzed. The more pressure put on me to get the job done, the less I am able to do it. I've had to have my partner guide me step by step through things which I was perfectly able to do before.

The only other thing I could think of is some kind of sensory issue towards the sound of clanking crockery etc which is more severe during depression.


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07 Jul 2016, 10:46 pm

I've gone through a period of depression about 2 years ago, and it can be very debilitating. Although your body is well rested, you still feel physically tired. I completely lacked motivation for doing anything, and things that were once simple and easy seemed like monumental tasks. I ended up failing about half of my classes that semester, and dropped my chemistry lab after having a meltdown in class. I'm doing better now that I've changed my major to something I thoroughly enjoy and I'm at a different university.



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07 Jul 2016, 11:57 pm

greenbug27 wrote:
Just got in a fight with my dude. He's got AS and has been struggling with depression and I'm an NT and we've been together for 8 years.

Basically I cleaned the whole house and the previous day then he made a mess in the kitchen. So I said "hey, i just cleaned, please help me keep it clean." So he said he would do it, but later. I let it go and figured later was fine and not worth whining about. He doesn't work and had all day to do it. He played video games all day. Then he laid down on the couch with me and I said "if you think you might fall asleep, take care of the dishes first" and he said he wasn't going to, but then he did. This was at like 9, he woke back up around 11 and I was like "please take care of the dishes before you go to bed because you said you would take care of them later today this morning, and you haven't." And he said "I can't."

I got upset and kept begging him to get up and then he left. When he cooled down I talked to him and he says that i think he doesn't want to do something and that i don't understand the difference between can't do something and not wanting to do something.

And i don't.

He was physically capable of putting the dishes. He was able to get up, punch the door and drive away. Can't to me for something simple like that is a physical thing.

What is can't to a person with AS? What does it feel like?


He punched the door because you asked him to do the dishes? That doesn't sound like autism, that sounds like abusive jerk behaviour. Whatever issues he might have that makes doing the dishes difficult for him, that does not excuse doing violent things like that to intimidate and scare you. I don't think autism in the problem here. Does he do this sort of thing commonly, lose his temper with you and hit things or throw things? Because that's not OK to do to someone, whether someone has autism or not.


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08 Jul 2016, 12:20 am

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Just got in a fight with my dude. He's got AS and has been struggling with depression and I'm an NT and we've been together for 8 years.

Basically I cleaned the whole house and the previous day then he made a mess in the kitchen. So I said "hey, i just cleaned, please help me keep it clean." So he said he would do it, but later. I let it go and figured later was fine and not worth whining about. He doesn't work and had all day to do it. He played video games all day. Then he laid down on the couch with me and I said "if you think you might fall asleep, take care of the dishes first" and he said he wasn't going to, but then he did. This was at like 9, he woke back up around 11 and I was like "please take care of the dishes before you go to bed because you said you would take care of them later today this morning, and you haven't." And he said "I can't."

I got upset and kept begging him to get up and then he left. When he cooled down I talked to him and he says that i think he doesn't want to do something and that i don't understand the difference between can't do something and not wanting to do something.

And i don't.

He was physically capable of putting the dishes. He was able to get up, punch the door and drive away. Can't to me for something simple like that is a physical thing.

What is can't to a person with AS? What does it feel like?


He punched the door because you asked him to do the dishes? That doesn't sound like autism, that sounds like abusive jerk behaviour. Whatever issues he might have that makes doing the dishes difficult for him, that does not excuse doing violent things like that to intimidate and scare you. I don't think autism in the problem here. Does he do this sort of thing commonly, lose his temper with you and hit things or throw things? Because that's not OK to do to someone, whether someone has autism or not.
Perhaps he punched the door because he lost control during an Aspie meltdown. I've thrown things at my walls & hit them afew times as a kid when I had BAD meltdowns with my parents. It doesn't excuse his behavior even if that was the case thou. He needs to get professional help(if he's not already) to work on his depression & anger.


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08 Jul 2016, 2:15 am

He's not an abusive jerk and didn't punch the door to intimidate or scare me, he was having a meltdown and pissed. He does lose his temper sometimes, and definitely has a history of destroying things in bad meltdowns. Usually he'll leave right away until he cools down to avoid making me upset. This time he just lost it a little too quick unfortunately. The last big meltdown he broke his keyboard and no one was around, so it isn't just his weird little way of treating me poorly.

Dr's scare the hell out of him and he isn't getting any help. His mom died because she was sick and afraid of doctors. I've been trying to talk him into it but to no avail. He's positive that no one can help him and everything is useless and sometimes says he is just waiting to die. So yeah, not sure how to talk him into that. I'm actually not sure how to talk him into anything really or the dishes would be done and he would be here. :roll:



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08 Jul 2016, 3:03 am

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He's not an abusive jerk and didn't punch the door to intimidate or scare me, he was having a meltdown and pissed. He does lose his temper sometimes, and definitely has a history of destroying things in bad meltdowns. Usually he'll leave right away until he cools down to avoid making me upset. This time he just lost it a little too quick unfortunately. The last big meltdown he broke his keyboard and no one was around, so it isn't just his weird little way of treating me poorly.

Dr's scare the hell out of him and he isn't getting any help. His mom died because she was sick and afraid of doctors. I've been trying to talk him into it but to no avail. He's positive that no one can help him and everything is useless and sometimes says he is just waiting to die. So yeah, not sure how to talk him into that. I'm actually not sure how to talk him into anything really or the dishes would be done and he would be here. :roll:


If you've been with him for 8 years and this is what he's always been like (not willing to seek help from doctors) then why would you expect him to be any different now? Why do you think you will be able to change him? This behaviour has worked for 8 years, what reason does he have to change it? I don't understand people with saviour complexes. I have enough of my own problems, I can't imagine taking on a project in the form of another person and spending all my energy trying to fix them. These kinds of relationships make no sense to me at all.


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08 Jul 2016, 3:16 am

Was he used to have a job or was he always unemployed?



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08 Jul 2016, 4:26 am

Maybe he has a problem with demand avoidance?

It can be a specific problem related to communication, restricted behaviour, anxiety and OCD traits of AS.

If he does, he will still need to seek professional help.

Pathological Demand Avoidance is also recognised as a separate but related condition, there are some links below.

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11 Jul 2016, 12:40 pm

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He's not an abusive jerk and didn't punch the door to intimidate or scare me, he was having a meltdown and pissed. He does lose his temper sometimes, and definitely has a history of destroying things in bad meltdowns. Usually he'll leave right away until he cools down to avoid making me upset. This time he just lost it a little too quick unfortunately. The last big meltdown he broke his keyboard and no one was around, so it isn't just his weird little way of treating me poorly.

Dr's scare the hell out of him and he isn't getting any help. His mom died because she was sick and afraid of doctors. I've been trying to talk him into it but to no avail. He's positive that no one can help him and everything is useless and sometimes says he is just waiting to die. So yeah, not sure how to talk him into that. I'm actually not sure how to talk him into anything really or the dishes would be done and he would be here. :roll:


If you've been with him for 8 years and this is what he's always been like (not willing to seek help from doctors) then why would you expect him to be any different now? Why do you think you will be able to change him? This behaviour has worked for 8 years, what reason does he have to change it? I don't understand people with saviour complexes. I have enough of my own problems, I can't imagine taking on a project in the form of another person and spending all my energy trying to fix them. These kinds of relationships make no sense to me at all.


Well he's never has insurance before, and so that never seemed as viable of an option as it is now. He got drunk and had a huge suicidal meltdown at his dads once and got an $800 bill for the ambulance alone, which caused a ton of stress for him. We live in America, so healthcare is more accessible for him now than before.

The behavior isn't really working, he goes in and out of rough patches but lately he's been miserable. He's been drinking more, and hasn't been working or attempting to be productive in awhile. He always seems to be more confident and feel better about himself when he is productive. His drinking is also starting to cause health problems to the extent that he'll occasionally have trouble keeping food down. He's not a project of mine, but when you love someone you want them to take care of themselves. Other people with similar struggles have found a great deal of relief through seeing doctors, and I just want to see him get some relief.



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11 Jul 2016, 12:45 pm

He's had jobs before but they usually don't last that long. Its been about 2 years right now which has definitely been one of the longest gaps.

I looked into the demand avoidance thing and that seems to make a ton of sense. Thanks a ton neilson_wheels!



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11 Jul 2016, 12:54 pm

Tbh it sounds like BS and he is using AS an an excuse. Aspies are capable of BSing



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11 Jul 2016, 4:06 pm

greenbug27 wrote:
He's had jobs before but they usually don't last that long. Its been about 2 years right now which has definitely been one of the longest gaps.

I looked into the demand avoidance thing and that seems to make a ton of sense. Thanks a ton neilson_wheels!


He probably feels emasculated, men are socially conditioned since they were boys that they should be providers when they grow up.



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12 Jul 2016, 8:08 am

Hi greenbug and welcome.

I think you should give up on expecting him to do what you ask him to. For myself, I do things when I feel like it and dishes, for example, are not a priority. Also, you can't coerce him to go to the doctor either, which is really a shame because it sounds like he would benefit from psychiatric treatment. I think you have to decide if you can live with him the way he is. You guys have been together a while and you're posting here, so you clearly care about him. But, yeah, no one can live with me because of the way I am.



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15 Jul 2016, 7:45 pm

I'm a little late to the discussion, but I have "can't" moments sometimes. Obviously, I'm an outsider to your situation, so it could be very similar or very different from what you're talking about. But sometimes I find myself getting locked in a pattern of behavior, so that I get very used to a routine or to just doing what I'm doing, and it becomes very hard for me to interrupt that. It can be someone asking me to do something simple, and me getting irrationally indignant about it for no good reason. Or it can even just be me knowing that I should be doing something, but not being able to convince myself to do it, if that makes sense. Sometimes, it's a matter of actually feeling overwhelmed by the thing I'm being asked to do, regardless of how seemingly simple it is- things like basic chores can feel like endless slogs for me sometimes, or else I might just not understand when a chore is "adequately" complete (this is especially true for me when it comes to cleaning.)

I can definitely understand how this sort of behavior would seem frustrating to someone who hasn't experienced it personally- For that matter, I experience it frequently, and I still get frustrated at myself about it XD Again, though that's just my experience. Hope that helps :)