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racheypie666
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18 Sep 2016, 5:54 pm

I'm going to break up with a boy, but in order to make it as 'nice' as possible, I am trying to understand how he might feel about it. I do not have much natural empathy but I do have learned empathy, so if anybody can help me with his point of view I would very much appreciate it.

I tried to think about how I would feel if he broke up with me, but I wouldn't mind. I do not feel any strong connection to him, but I know he feels differently about me; I do not understand why/how he might feel about me. We have many things in common (shared interests in music, culture etc.) that we have discussed. I have been very polite and engaged in conversations but didn't really lead any or suggest topics of conversation. He thinks I am physically attractive and 'interesting' (this is a code for ND I think). I trusted him enough to tell him about my autism; possibly this trust makes him like me more or feel protective towards me? He knows I do not do social things as a rule, and said that me making him the exception shows I care just as much about him as he does about me. I think this is inaccurate. In our text conversations he flirts a lot and I don't really flirt back. We've been out for drinks twice, and I haven't kissed him or offered any physical contact. He sent me a picture of himself and asked for one back. I ignored him.

I think I have been quite detached compared to standard relationships. He is a nice person but I don't want it to work. How do you feel about a person when you like them romantically? Why would he be interested in a detached ND character such as myself? I think this might be the most autistic thing I have ever written :lol: but I genuinely have no idea what it must feel like to want a person romantically.



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18 Sep 2016, 6:16 pm

I saw a pic of you and you are pretty, so maybe that is what he likes. When you don't know a person that well yet you judge them by looks or maybe how friendly they seem.



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19 Sep 2016, 2:41 am

You ask How do you feel, when you like a person romantically? Well, I can give you some examples. To steal Krafties example, since he hasn't chimed in yet, you feel that tingling in your nether regions, you get nervous around that person, you may want to be around them more, They will make you smile a lot, You'll want to be close to them, and you'll do anything to please them sometimes. Now I will say, some men will go after hard to get women, for the thrill of the chase. I'm not saying that this is the case, but maybe he sees you as a woman who is a tough shell to crack, or a project of sorts, like someday, he will change your mind or way of thinking. I just find it odd, that if you've given him every indecation that you're not interested, that he is still obliviously hanging on you. These are just my thoughts.



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19 Sep 2016, 3:31 am

Bridgette77 wrote:
You ask How do you feel, when you like a person romantically? Well, I can give you some examples. To steal Krafties example, since he hasn't chimed in yet, you feel that tingling in your nether regions, you get nervous around that person, you may want to be around them more, They will make you smile a lot, You'll want to be close to them, and you'll do anything to please them sometimes.


Just as I thought, this isn't how I feel about him at all :( . Thank you for your examples, they seem to fit a lot of what this boy has said about me, for example he said the thought of me makes him smile, and he just wants me to be with him when we are apart.

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Now I will say, some men will go after hard to get women, for the thrill of the chase. I'm not saying that this is the case, but maybe he sees you as a woman who is a tough shell to crack, or a project of sorts, like someday, he will change your mind or way of thinking. I just find it odd, that if you've given him every indecation that you're not interested, that he is still obliviously hanging on you. These are just my thoughts.


I too find it very odd he still wants this relationship; I was kind of hoping him to give up on the idea after I proved so hard to pin down (not messaging back immediately, not expressing emotion, not making time for dates a priority). I think it has to be one of three reasons:
- he thinks he can fix me, like you said.
- he thinks I feel the same way as he does, but just can't express it properly. (maybe this is his interpretation of autism)
- he just has super low self-esteem, or is otherwise desperate. (I wouldn't bother with somebody who was disinterested in me)

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I saw a pic of you and you are pretty, so maybe that is what he likes. When you don't know a person that well yet you judge them by looks or maybe how friendly they seem.


I worry he thinks he does know me at this point. I also worry that my friendliness has been misinterpreted as something more, especially since I miss romantic cues. Maybe I've given him the wrong impression just by being friendly :?



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19 Sep 2016, 3:45 am

Asking strangers to speculate about why somebody likes you is not really going to achieve anything. We have no idea why he likes you. If you want to know that, you will need to ask him.



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19 Sep 2016, 5:35 am

You don't have to break up with him nicely, just break up with him. The nicest way to break up with someone is unambiguously.


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19 Sep 2016, 5:45 am

thumbhole wrote:
Asking strangers to speculate about why somebody likes you is not really going to achieve anything. We have no idea why he likes you. If you want to know that, you will need to ask him.


I know other people won't be able to give any specific advice, I am asking for more general experiences of being either side of a relationship. I've never been in one before, I've never broken up with anybody, and like I said, I don't know how he feels; Im just trying to get some perspective so I can be more empathetic/compassionate about things. Plus I have nobody in my life I can talk to, so strangers on the internet's the best I can do :?

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You don't have to break up with him nicely, just break up with him. The nicest way to break up with someone is unambiguously.


OK, taken on board. So it's more important to break up definitively than to explain my reasons? I'm worried I won't be able to articulate my reasons in the moment so I'll bare this in mind, thanks :)



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19 Sep 2016, 5:53 am

I'm not saying you can't explain the reasons. You can if you want. Just so long as you do it after you've made it very clear you're breaking up with him.

If you can't think of any reasons than you're not really obligated to give him any, although when I get dumped I ask the girl to make a list of things I did wrong so I'll know what not to do in my next relationship.

If you never had a proper relationship with him to begin with than you're even less obligated to give him reasons. If you weren't in an actual relationship with him then you're not really breaking up with him, you're turning him down (which should also be done unambiguously).


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19 Sep 2016, 7:58 am

Do you want to be his friend? Some guys would accept the alternative, while still being sad that he can't be in a romance with you.

I think you should tell him the truth....that you have never experienced romantic feelings. He might not believe you--but stick to your guns.

Tell him that you don't want to be "fixed" by anybody. That you want to "fix" yourself.

Listen to what he has to say, too. But continue to insist that you feel no romance towards him.

Above all, you have to be blunt with the person, making sure that he knows that you regard him highly as a friend (if you do regard him as a friend).

If he doesn't take it well, it's not your responsibility, provided that you were honest, and didn't belittle him in any way. If he starts talking about killing himself or something, just tell him you won't accept this sort of talk, and that you'll break contact immediately should he continue this line of talk.

It's a very hard deal for people to break up with somebody. But, in this case, it has to be done; otherwise, worse heartache, on the part of both of you, will result.



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19 Sep 2016, 1:52 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Do you want to be his friend? Some guys would accept the alternative, while still being sad that he can't be in a romance with you.

I think you should tell him the truth....that you have never experienced romantic feelings. He might not believe you--but stick to your guns.

Tell him that you don't want to be "fixed" by anybody. That you want to "fix" yourself.

Listen to what he has to say, too. But continue to insist that you feel no romance towards him.

Above all, you have to be blunt with the person, making sure that he knows that you regard him highly as a friend (if you do regard him as a friend).

If he doesn't take it well, it's not your responsibility, provided that you were honest, and didn't belittle him in any way. If he starts talking about killing himself or something, just tell him you won't accept this sort of talk, and that you'll break contact immediately should he continue this line of talk.

It's a very hard deal for people to break up with somebody. But, in this case, it has to be done; otherwise, worse heartache, on the part of both of you, will result.


Thanks :) . I think part of my problem is I've conditioned myself not to be too blunt with people (blunt being my default mode), so I'm out of practice :oops: ! I will take this and RetroGamer87's advice and try my best to be unambiguous. Of course I will still be friendly with him afterwards, so I will offer that although I know some guys see it as adding insult to injury :? .

Do you really think I should tell him I've never experienced romantic feelings though? That is the truth but won't it come off very mean and aspergers-y if I am that blunt/truthful? Realistically it means it has nothing to do with him, the 'problem' is on my end, but in the heat of the moment he might take it to mean that I've been toying with him or something. :(



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19 Sep 2016, 2:16 pm

I have to say, I'm curious. How is it that you progressed this far with this guy, when you're not interested in him, or even in dating in general? Were you just trying it out to see what it was like?

In answer to your question (assuming you haven't already taken care of the situation), your best bet is going to be telling him straight up that you're not interested. I wouldn't advise saying something along the lines of "I'm not interested in dating anyone right now", because this guy will probably hinge on a remark like that and hold hope that if you ever become interested in dating, he'll be your first point of call.

As Retrogamer said, you don't owe him an explanation, but providing one might help stop questions like "What did I do wrong?" or "What's wrong with me?" from recurring in his mind.



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19 Sep 2016, 2:19 pm

I think this is an opportunity to teach him about human variation. Put it in an objective way, and don't say anything how the "absurdity of being romantic."

I, myself, can never think of a time when I didn't have "romantic feelings." I, myself, cannot understand, emotionally, the state of being "asexual."

But if somebody states that they just don't feel romantic, then I'd have to try to put myself in their shoes. Throughout history, people who didn't feel romance have existed.

In a way, being non-romantic prevents many problems.



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19 Sep 2016, 2:35 pm

The Grand Inquisitor wrote:
I have to say, I'm curious. How is it that you progressed this far with this guy, when you're not interested in him, or even in dating in general? Were you just trying it out to see what it was like?

In answer to your question (assuming you haven't already taken care of the situation), your best bet is going to be telling him straight up that you're not interested. I wouldn't advise saying something along the lines of "I'm not interested in dating anyone right now", because this guy will probably hinge on a remark like that and hold hope that if you ever become interested in dating, he'll be your first point of call.

As Retrogamer said, you don't owe him an explanation, but providing one might help stop questions like "What did I do wrong?" or "What's wrong with me?" from recurring in his mind.


It was a moment of weakness/curiousity on my part. Normally people ask me out and I say 'no thanks, I don't date', this time I said 'ok', because I was in a weird mood and I wanted to see whether I was right about not having romantic feeling. It's only gone further because we get along as friends objectively, and I suppose from his perspective this is a slow romantic relationship that will build over time. From my perspective, of course, I have come to see that it isn't that at all.

Yes, I will try and explain my feelings to him. I want him to know he didn't do anything wrong, and there's nothing wrong with him, so I can see the importance of an explanation not just for my peace of mind, but for his own.



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19 Sep 2016, 2:42 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
I think this is an opportunity to teach him about human variation. Put it in an objective way, and don't say anything how the "absurdity of being romantic."

I, myself, can never think of a time when I didn't have "romantic feelings." I, myself, cannot understand, emotionally, the state of being "asexual."

But if somebody states that they just don't feel romantic, then I'd have to try to put myself in their shoes. Throughout history, people who didn't feel romance have existed.

In a way, being non-romantic prevents many problems.


Oh kraftiekortie, you are so wise on these matters :D . I will put it objectively as you say, I certainly won't disparage his feelings, just as I wouldn't want mine to be disparaged. Yes, I am trying to put myself in the shoes of romantically feeling people; it is difficult but this thread has helped.

I think there are many problems prevented by being non-romantic, though in this case it has caused one! And of course I'm sure there's a lot I'm missing out on, but that's OK. Reminds me of a passage from The Great Gatsby:

F. Scott Fitzgerald wrote:
Out of the corner of his eye Gatsby saw that the blocks of the sidewalks really formed a ladder and mounted to a secret place above the trees-he could climb to it, if he climbed alone, and once there he could suck on the pap of life, gulp down the incomparable milk of wonder.

His heart beat faster and faster as Daisy's white face came up to his own. He knew that when he kissed this girl, and forever wed his unutterable visions to her perishable breath, his mind would never romp again like the mind of God.



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19 Sep 2016, 4:42 pm

Yes, kraftiekortie is a very wise man indeed! I would just be very blunt and honest with this guy, and tell him straight up how it is, since you being distant and nonromantic hasn't given him the hint. I can understand why it hasn't, since there are some on the spectrum who have some issues with kissing and closeness, and it takes time for them to go that rout with someone. I know, my own boyfriend was that way.and perhaps he thinks you fall into this category also. So, I would just tell him very bluntly, that you are just not into dating at all, period.



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19 Sep 2016, 6:21 pm

I find it great that you are able to appreciate that passage you just mentioned. And that you have taken it into your heart.

George Bernard Shaw, one of the greatest playwrights of all time, and the creator of "Pygmalion" (which became "My Fair Lady") was said to be very much asexual.

It's definitely about a situation where romance and kissing "takes away one's innocence." F. Scott Fitzgerald fell under the spell of his wife, Zelda.

To tell you the truth: before I had a crush on my English teacher in 8th grade, at age 13, I had absolutely NO interest in literature.

8th Grade is approximately equivalent to about Form 2 in the UK's educational system, I believe.