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19 Apr 2017, 2:37 pm

Millennial Women Are Conflicted About Being Breadwinners

https://www.google.com/amp/www.refinery ... eadwinners

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“IT'S STRESSFUL. IT'S A HUGE RESPONSIBILITY. I PRESSURE MYSELF TO STAY IN THE JOB I'M AT EVEN IF I'M UNHAPPY THERE.”

When asked how they would feel if they knew right now that they would always be the breadwinner in their current marriages and relationships, words like “tired,” “exhausted,” and that special one, “resentful” turned up over and over again.

Most of these women didn’t mind being the breadwinner as long as they eventually had the option to make less, their partners contributed equally in the household, and it didn’t trap them into jobs they no longer wanted.

Most of the housework falls on the woman. And this, so the story goes, leads to simmering resentment on the part of women who are frustrated with their blissfully unaware husbands who don’t pick up the household slack.

A 2013 study reported men who engaged in chores traditionally referred to as “women’s work” were less likely to have sex. This is all further complicated by the fact that research also shows men who do that home work suffer from feelings of emasculation. And sometimes women find their household-helping husbands less attractive, too.

In the same year that women out-earning their husbands jumped up to 38%, a different study found that men who earned less than their spouses were significantly more likely to cheat.

WHAT IN THE HELL DO PEOPLE WANT?!

Me? A Hunny who makes the same (or more) and also shares in the housework. If I was married and we had a house, I would gladly do all of the inside work while he did the outside work of lawn, painting and snow shoveling. :mrgreen:


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19 Apr 2017, 5:04 pm

It shows that most men and women are still stuck in the 40-50s mentally, and very rare who are truly feminist in the its true meaning at heart, even among the self-proclaimed feminists/egalitarian (men and women).

There was another study showing how many women in UK wish for a rich husband and to stay home.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... nt-careers



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19 Apr 2017, 5:15 pm

And honestly? I would much rather prefer tp be the stay home within the couple, do all house shores, to do all the cooking (and yes even to care of a baby) than to work with stinky bosses and clients from 9 to 5 (who most of them will give you tight deadlines most of the time, so you will end up working AT HOME too to finish on time).

A kid will eventually grow up, he/she will be at school /college half of the day at least- house works with all these machines aren't that hard anymore.
My aunt is a stay-at-home mother, and she keeps telling of the tons of TV series and the outings she does, so certainly she has a lot of extra time, despite having a demanding husband and two teens. Her husbands also hires for her a weekly maid to do the hard house chores.

Me? I can't even follow one series.

So please, don't tell me it's harder than a full-time job.



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20 Apr 2017, 12:33 am

These me who think that cleaning the bath tub and making a meal are demeaning need to get over themselves. Women aren't maids.



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20 Apr 2017, 1:02 am

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These me who think that cleaning the bath tub and making a meal are demeaning need to get over themselves. Women aren't maids.


Not to worry. I do believe that there are wonderful men out there who just love to cook and who are very good at it too. If I had a Hunny who cooked, I'd clean up the dishes. :mrgreen:


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20 Apr 2017, 1:31 am

In my previous workplace, I recall a private conversation with coworkers at lunch break when we were talk about possible bankruptcy or downsizing - the 2 married men were extremely scared and me too as well, the 2 married women (who are both married to high earners engineers in big companies)? They barely gave a s**t. One of them shrugged and was like "If they want me to leave, I leave now - my husband is earning more than enough".

I so envy them! They seriously do not have any close to the same pressure that me and, even worse, those men experience in keeping a steady enough income!
Being one depending on a high breadwinner, is seriously don't have equal concern at all like the one who is the breadwinner! Don't try to convince me otherwise.

So YES nurseangela, I would accept to be the stay at home one, to be your cook, your house cleaner, to do all the grocery shopping, to make you a hot meal at dinner (damn for those who think it's emasculating.), a single man has to do those things anyway..... while in free time I watch tv or play video games :lol: or do something freelance, that's a way less stressful life than the career life; I am sure of it.



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20 Apr 2017, 1:35 am

I've always wanted a househusband. Seems most the men I date aren't on the same wave length. So I'll hire a maid to clean. I don't mind cooking and the dishwasher can do the dishes :D



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20 Apr 2017, 1:42 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
So YES nurseangela, I would accept to be the stay at home one, to be your cook, your house cleaner, to do all the grocery shopping, to make you a hot meal at dinner (damn for those who think it's emasculating.)..... while in free time I watch tv or play video games :lol: or do something freelance, that's a way less stressful life than the career life; I am sure of it.

I bet there's families where a husband would love to stay at home and do the chores and a woman would prefer to work, but they don't. I don't know why. Because evolution? Or because it's wrong (whatever that means)?

I know a woman who supports her husband, because he's a low paid actor, but everyone in her social circle is persuading her to make him find a proper job. Even women who themselves haven't worked for years.

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Being one depending on a high breadwinner, is seriously don't have equal concern at all like the one who is the breadwinner! Don't try to convince me otherwise.

It makes sense but it leaves such people in a vulnerable position after a divorce.

Personally, I'm good at my work and I don't mind being the sole breadwinner, but I don't think it's fair to expect from me to do my half of the chores. Or is it?



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20 Apr 2017, 1:56 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
In my previous workplace, I recall a private conversation with coworkers at lunch break when we were talk about possible bankruptcy or downsizing - the 2 married men were extremely scared and me too as well, the 2 married women (who are both married to high earners engineers in big companies)? They barely gave a s**t. One of them shrugged and was like "If they want me to leave, I leave now - my husband is earning more than enough".

I so envy them! They seriously do not have any close to the same pressure that me and, even worse, those men experience in keeping a steady enough income!
Being one depending on a high breadwinner, is seriously don't have equal concern at all like the one who is the breadwinner! Don't try to convince me otherwise.

So YES nurseangela, I would accept to be the stay at home one, to be your cook, your house cleaner, to do all the grocery shopping, to make you a hot meal at dinner (damn for those who think it's emasculating.), a single man has to do those things anyway..... while in free time I watch tv or play video games :lol: or do something freelance, that's a way less stressful life than the career life; I am sure of it.


Boo it would never work because I don't want a house husband - I want an equal, so if I ever do find a Hunny they will have to work.

My friend Julia has a house husband and I can tell she is beginning to resent it. She constantly has to work because they are only living off her salary. She has no time to enjoy the things her money pays for - but he does and he plays a lot of freaking video games. That would piss me off.

If both people have jobs, then they won't have to spend so much time at work - they can spend more time with each other. :mrgreen:


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20 Apr 2017, 2:05 am

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My friend Julia has a house husband and I can tell she is beginning to resent it. She constantly has to work because they are only living off her salary. She has no time to enjoy the things her money pays for - but he does and he plays a lot of freaking video games. That would piss me off.

I'm in the exact same position but I'm not pissed about it. Why would it piss you?



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20 Apr 2017, 2:16 am

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My friend Julia has a house husband and I can tell she is beginning to resent it. She constantly has to work because they are only living off her salary. She has no time to enjoy the things her money pays for - but he does and he plays a lot of freaking video games. That would piss me off.

I'm in the exact same position but I'm not pissed about it. Why would it piss you?


Because he is an able-bodied man who should be contributing in some way and he isn't. She even comes home and ends up doing the vacuuming and mowing the lawn! She needed to have one of the kids dropped off at school and who ended up doing it? HER - after she got off of work. If I'm working 70-80 hrs a week, I better not have to come home to a house where everything isn't spick and span. The house better be spotless and dinner on the table. And the lawn immaculate. Their kids are now either in school or old enough to take care of themselves, so his job is cleaning and cooking - all of it.

If they both worked then household chores should be divided, but as the article said, most women find themselves doing most of the housework after they come home from a job.


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20 Apr 2017, 2:46 am

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If I'm working 70-80 hrs a week, I better not have to come home to a house where everything isn't spick and span. The house better be spotless and dinner on the table. And the lawn immaculate. Their kids are now either in school or old enough to take care of themselves, so his job is cleaning and cooking - all of it.

I don't argue that my wife does more chores, but definitely not all of them. I always help with shopping and cooking and often with laundry and washing dishes. I would love to have a dinner ready when I get home, but that rarely happens because my wife hates to cook.



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20 Apr 2017, 2:55 am

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If I'm working 70-80 hrs a week, I better not have to come home to a house where everything isn't spick and span. The house better be spotless and dinner on the table. And the lawn immaculate. Their kids are now either in school or old enough to take care of themselves, so his job is cleaning and cooking - all of it.

I don't argue that my wife does more chores, but definitely not all of them. I always help with shopping and cooking and often with laundry and washing dishes. I would love to have a dinner ready when I get home, but that rarely happens because my wife hates to cook.


Do you have kids?


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20 Apr 2017, 2:57 am

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If I'm working 70-80 hrs a week, I better not have to come home to a house where everything isn't spick and span. The house better be spotless and dinner on the table. And the lawn immaculate. Their kids are now either in school or old enough to take care of themselves, so his job is cleaning and cooking - all of it.

I don't argue that my wife does more chores, but definitely not all of them. I always help with shopping and cooking and often with laundry and washing dishes. I would love to have a dinner ready when I get home, but that rarely happens because my wife hates to cook.

Do you have kids?

No, we have no kids or pets. And we live in a studio so luckily there isn't a lot to clean.



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20 Apr 2017, 2:58 am

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If I'm working 70-80 hrs a week, I better not have to come home to a house where everything isn't spick and span. The house better be spotless and dinner on the table. And the lawn immaculate. Their kids are now either in school or old enough to take care of themselves, so his job is cleaning and cooking - all of it.

I don't argue that my wife does more chores, but definitely not all of them. I always help with shopping and cooking and often with laundry and washing dishes. I would love to have a dinner ready when I get home, but that rarely happens because my wife hates to cook.

Do you have kids?

No, we have no kids or pets. And we live in a studio so luckily there isn't a lot to clean.


And you're saying she doesn't have an outside job?


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20 Apr 2017, 3:07 am

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nurseangela wrote:
If I'm working 70-80 hrs a week, I better not have to come home to a house where everything isn't spick and span. The house better be spotless and dinner on the table. And the lawn immaculate. Their kids are now either in school or old enough to take care of themselves, so his job is cleaning and cooking - all of it.

I don't argue that my wife does more chores, but definitely not all of them. I always help with shopping and cooking and often with laundry and washing dishes. I would love to have a dinner ready when I get home, but that rarely happens because my wife hates to cook.

Do you have kids?

No, we have no kids or pets. And we live in a studio so luckily there isn't a lot to clean.

And you're saying she doesn't have an outside job?

She studies. Three times a week she has 1.5 hour lectures.