Women asking guys out?
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True but there's the possibility that maybe this guy only seems so charismatic because he is doing something he is really good at. Maybe he isn't always that charismatic.
Or maybe SummerAndSmoke exaggerates how perfect he is because she fell in love with him and therefore perceives him as more perfect than other people would. There's no information about whether a lot of the women in that acting class are into him or just her.
That said, if there are any red flags SummerAndSmoke should not ignore them.
I didn’t think for a second that there was anything wrong with the guy. It’s extremely immature to make assumptions about people you’ve never spoken to like that, because they’re above a certain age. A lot of good looking people are are also single. By choice, after a divorce, other commitments, sickness, I don’t think much of assuming good looking people who are single are damaged either, it’s also immature.
I think he does find you attractive, but because of the age difference and more importantly your very young appearance, is afraid of communicating that or asking you out for fear of being thought of as some creep. That and the resulting self-consciousness is a more probable reason for him getting shy and inhibited when working with you. From his point of view, the cost of asking you out or indicating he's attracted to you, is not just the possibility of rejection, but the possibility of being shamed as a creepy older guy and having the whole class become unpleasant, if not worse. He has the same fears that you mentioned in the original post, with his fears amplified by the age difference while yours by gender expectations. (It's a case of Prisoner's Dilemma all around.)
Clarify this to him first, establish that you want to continue working with him, and then ask him out yourself. Both of you will probably have a better, happier life if you take this first step yourself.
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Actually, it was said that something might be wrong if a good looking and very charismatic guy in his thirties was still single, not if a guy in his thirties was still single. After all it's pretty natural to assume that someone who one considers awesome would have many people interested in him.
Not that I really agree because even the most perfect men (and women) can have many reasons for being single. Maybe he has recently broken up with someone, maybe he's too busy to meet people, maybe he's not really good looking or charismatic in anyone else's eyes, maybe he has a really bad personality outside of the acting class, maybe he's interested in someone at waiting for the right moment to make a move, maybe he's homosexual or perhaps not interested in relationships at all.
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Actually, it was said that something might be wrong if a good looking and very charismatic guy in his thirties was still single, not if a guy in his thirties was still single. After all it's pretty natural to assume that someone who one considers awesome would have many people interested in him.
Not that I really agree because even the most perfect men (and women) can have many reasons for being single. Maybe he has recently broken up with someone, maybe he's too busy to meet people, maybe he's not really good looking or charismatic in anyone else's eyes, maybe he has a really bad personality outside of the acting class, maybe he's interested in someone at waiting for the right moment to make a move, maybe he's homosexual or perhaps not interested in relationships at all.
Or maybe he is a broke starving artist.
Actually, it was said that something might be wrong if a good looking and very charismatic guy in his thirties was still single, not if a guy in his thirties was still single. After all it's pretty natural to assume that someone who one considers awesome would have many people interested in him.
Not that I really agree because even the most perfect men (and women) can have many reasons for being single. Maybe he has recently broken up with someone, maybe he's too busy to meet people, maybe he's not really good looking or charismatic in anyone else's eyes, maybe he has a really bad personality outside of the acting class, maybe he's interested in someone at waiting for the right moment to make a move, maybe he's homosexual or perhaps not interested in relationships at all.
It's still unfair paranoia. Just help the OP date the dude and stop trying to find red flags where there are none.
I first met him about 4 months ago at the start of the fall semester. Though he is gregarious and connects with people well (he works as a waiter), I get the sense from talking to him that he isn't the most confident guy on the planet. He definitely doesn't have great self-esteem, but I don't know if that would necessarily affect him in a dating context. If he were interested in me at all, wouldn't he have reached out to me outside of class (separate from the work we've done together) at some point? No guy has ever shown even the vaguest interest in me before (I've never had a boyfriend or anything remotely close) and I don't see why he should be any different.
Yup, I agree with the 'ask him out for a coffee' advice. I could be wrong, but I think the novelty of being asked out is taken as a compliment by most men... If he isn't attracted to you I imagine due to his age he will be tactful and nothing will have changed between the two of you during your acting class.
I told him about it, but I'm not sure that he knows what autism actually entails. I don't think most people do.
LOL. The guy is absolutely not a sociopath! He is a highly sensitive, emotional person. It's pretty much impossible for great actors to be sociopaths because truthful acting requires a heart-on-the-sleeve kind of personality. He's also not gay, either.... I heard him mention his ex girlfriend one time in class.
I'm definitely not exaggerating how perfect he is..... he's a recovering alcoholic. Hardship in life connects us all. I try accept people's flaws, and hope that people accept mine. I ain't perfect either, having Aspergers hasn't been a picnic. But what I find admirable is how hard he has been working to pull himself out of this and how devoted he remains to the craft. In spite of his drinking issues, he is by far one of the most hardworking, thoughtful and accountable actors I know. Unlike many actors I work with, he actually shows consideration for me and my time and goes the extra mile in making sure we both can be as prepared as possible for class.
I told him about it, but I'm not sure that he knows what autism actually entails. I don't think most people do.
Its such a broad spectrum that most people are confused by it.
Seems like you are good friends already, so do you think you will go for it?
Its such a broad spectrum that most people are confused by it.
He knows that I've had troubled schooling, and that's about it. I don't think that a lot of people are prepared for the realities of actually dealing with Aspies.
I don't know if I could go so far as to say "good friends." We've chatted a good deal during class breaks and in our private rehearsals, and it feels like we have rapport. (At least it feels that way to me) Doesn't "good friends" mean that you've already gone on social outings together?
I think I probably will go for it, but I'm going to wait until we've decided on the next piece of work we're going to do together..... that'll make it seem less like I'm asking him out on a "date." Sending him a casual text message might more low-stakes?
Would chatting about your private lives be something you do with acquaintances?
Asking him out is high stakes emotionally, if you make it clear that you are asking him out then you will know either way if he likes you as more than a friend. If you don't make it clear then you will be back to where you are now and still have to figure out if he attracted to you or not.
It shouldn't carry risk IMO if you start slow and don't give off big red flags. I will be cool about it unless I see warning signs that they're possibly crazy or even dangerous.
What if he is someone who had antisocial or other bad traits but has worked on it or is working on it, ie trying to improve? I feel it may be unfair to write someone off in this manner.
I had some negative traits like that in HS also had body image issues due to being extremely skinny(110-120lbs at 5'11 in senior high) so I never dated, can't really date if you don't feel good about yourself. I like reading about psychology and one thing I know is that it's usually a bad idea to try getting into dating when you're going through major issues.
But I have been working out for about 5 years and now feel like I've reached normal at 170lb fairly lean. This also means I'm now more motivated to improve in other areas of life. I hope I don't get wrote off just because of age & lack of experience. Some of us decide against dating at a young age, wanting to wait till we better ourselves first. I am late 20's but only just now have started to have an interest in dating. So I might be that 30 something guy by the time I'd get a degree. I just hope that being 30 & single doesn't mean there's something wrong with me.
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