Morally much worse men than you.

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The_Face_of_Boo
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05 Mar 2018, 2:40 pm

So.....single struggling men!

It's so often - that you face accusations here left and right - like for example if you say something is bit jerky or assholey, some smart-ass would reply you with the typical "No wonder why you don't have a gf".

I don't believe that a man's struggle in dating is very affected by how jerk/a**hole/sexist/amoral he is, because frankly, I knew married men who are by far worse than me morally speaking.

So let's hear your concrete examples of such men you know yet married or never struggled in having relationships - real stories.



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05 Mar 2018, 7:18 pm

One of the reasons why I feel myself becoming opposed to the very idea of relationship is that it all too often leads to abuse.

I've known young Aspie women who have repeatedly fallen for sociopathic men. They enter a toxic relationship (for reasons that I am not quite certain of, but I suppose it involves desperation), suffer physical and sexual abuse, and finally escape - only to end up in another relationship of this kind a short time later.


The concept of marriage seems, in my mind, to be a hangover from the days when women were the property of their husbands. But this attitude still persists. An example I recall is from a conversation I overheard while I was in a pharmacy, a year or two ago:

A man, with a whiny sounding voice in a bitter tone, says to a woman: "you will do as I say and you will wait here for me!"

The woman replies, in a depressed and defeated tone: "why ...."

He says, increasing the speed of his voice: "because otherwise you will never see me again, do you understand me!"

He then exits the store, while she just stands there waiting, and looking sad.


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05 Mar 2018, 7:33 pm

Most women don’t care about if a man is morally good.



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05 Mar 2018, 7:37 pm

That's not true at all, Sly.

Many decent women don't want to go out with morally decrepit people.

I know I wouldn't to go out with a woman who is morally debased.



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05 Mar 2018, 7:40 pm

liminal wrote:
One of the reasons why I feel myself becoming opposed to the very idea of relationship is that it all too often leads to abuse.

I've known young Aspie women who have repeatedly fallen for sociopathic men. They enter a toxic relationship (for reasons that I am not quite certain of, but I suppose it involves desperation), suffer physical and sexual abuse, and finally escape - only to end up in another relationship of this kind a short time later.


The concept of marriage seems, in my mind, to be a hangover from the days when women were the property of their husbands. But this attitude still persists. An example I recall is from a conversation I overheard while I was in a pharmacy, a year or two ago:

A man, with a whiny sounding voice in a bitter tone, says to a woman: "you will do as I say and you will wait here for me!"

The woman replies, in a depressed and defeated tone: "why ...."

He says, increasing the speed of his voice: "because otherwise you will never see me again, do you understand me!"

He then exits the store, while she just stands there waiting, and looking sad.


I disagree with marriage being outdated, children raised within a marriage statistically are better off. I think people conceptualise marriage as being about a couples love for each other when historically and ideally it should represent their devolution to their new family unit.



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05 Mar 2018, 8:35 pm

Both men and women occasionally have the misfortune of getting in to a relationship with a woman or man they later discover to be a jerk, or abusive in some way. However as for jerk men who heterosexual and are in happy marriages, I have observed that either...

1. The wife is a jerk too and they are teammates in jerkery.

2. The man puts on a "lovey dovey" persona with the wife.



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05 Mar 2018, 9:07 pm

sly279 wrote:
Most women don’t care about if a man is morally good.


I can't speak for "most women", but I actually can see elements of this trait in myself... some women like bad boys and I stand accused. I went through that phase. Possibly still going through it. As long as he's nice to me, I don't think I'd care what else he does. It's like having a big pitbull dog who loves you to death, but bites everyone else in the jugular. It's f**ked up, but it is ocassionally true.



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05 Mar 2018, 9:54 pm

What a lovely, positive thread.



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05 Mar 2018, 10:02 pm

People want partners that make them feel wanted and special, in whatever way it suits the individual.
This seldom takes into account the partner's decisions outside of the relationship like how they treat a majority of other people or live their lives in general.

Me and my GF as an example, we've not been perfect people to everybody in our lives. Made good choices, bad choices, but what matters are the decisions we make for each other. Being -or being perceived as- amoral really doesn't nor IMO should it impact someone's ability to pair off.

Imagine some snake of a human being who is extremely unlikable and can't get any, getting to debate whether or not you get to have someone meaningful in your life, based on their arbitrary moral code, or one that will be obsoleted in generations all because they can't any. It's a ridiculous concept.


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06 Mar 2018, 2:27 am

Chronos wrote:
2. The man puts on a "lovey dovey" persona with the wife.

At least at first he does. So often wives complain that "he wasn't like that before".



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06 Mar 2018, 4:27 am

yellowtamarin wrote:
What a lovely, positive thread.



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06 Mar 2018, 7:22 am

yellowtamarin wrote:
What a lovely, positive thread.


Sarcasm? Sorry, I've never been good at detecting tone.



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06 Mar 2018, 9:08 am

Andrewdarr wrote:
yellowtamarin wrote:
What a lovely, positive thread.


Sarcasm? Sorry, I've never been good at detecting tone.



Yes, she was sarcastic.

My role here in WP is to emit realism and negative energy because there's so much idealism, positivity and shining saint halos here. It's unhealthy as it may cause blindness to some.

I bring a bit of darkness, to make things more gray.



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06 Mar 2018, 9:10 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Andrewdarr wrote:
yellowtamarin wrote:
What a lovely, positive thread.


Sarcasm? Sorry, I've never been good at detecting tone.



Yes, she was sarcastic.


In UK (historically 888) subtitles the way of denoting this in the 1990s up to now was (!).



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06 Mar 2018, 10:32 am

I just don't believe most women are stupid enough to go out with a man who lacks morals.



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06 Mar 2018, 10:42 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
I just don't believe most women are stupid enough to go out with a man who lacks morals.


I mostly agree, but 1) sociopaths are stereotypically very good at self-concealment, and 2) some women also lack morals.


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