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RavenShark
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24 May 2018, 11:33 am

The following may or may not be related to being on the spectrum, but my issue with dating is two-fold:

When I interact with a woman, I can't shake the feeling that I'm being mercilessly criticized from head to toe, and that she's wondering something in the line of "Gross. How dare this thing come and talk to me", even if she seems friendly on the outside. Which leads into my next point....

I hate my appearance. I go to work because I have to, but if it weren't for that reason, I'd be a hermit. I work out because I enjoy it and I want to stay in shape, but I feel that regardless of how I dress or how much in shape I get, nothing can be done for my facial hideousness, and it's come to a point where I am convinced that I'm facially disfigured and as ugly as an Orc. The lack of responses when I tried online dating attest to this. The fact that guys that (I thought) are ugly have girlfriends or are married only reinforces my ugliness. I feel that if I approach with any dating interest, she will either a) laugh and walk away or b) call the police.

People have asked why am I single, and I feel like they're asking me as a way of mocking. The next time someone asks me this, my answer will be "take a look at me....there's your answer"



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24 May 2018, 11:57 am

As I've told many other people here: You're probably not as ugly as you think you are.

I haven't worked out in years. People don't find me unattractive. And I'm 57 years old, and chubby.



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24 May 2018, 2:17 pm

RavenShark wrote:
The following may or may not be related to being on the spectrum, but my issue with dating is two-fold:

When I interact with a woman, I can't shake the feeling that I'm being mercilessly criticized from head to toe, and that she's wondering something in the line of "Gross. How dare this thing come and talk to me", even if she seems friendly on the outside. Which leads into my next point....

I hate my appearance. I go to work because I have to, but if it weren't for that reason, I'd be a hermit. I work out because I enjoy it and I want to stay in shape, but I feel that regardless of how I dress or how much in shape I get, nothing can be done for my facial hideousness, and it's come to a point where I am convinced that I'm facially disfigured and as ugly as an Orc. The lack of responses when I tried online dating attest to this. The fact that guys that (I thought) are ugly have girlfriends or are married only reinforces my ugliness. I feel that if I approach with any dating interest, she will either a) laugh and walk away or b) call the police.

People have asked why am I single, and I feel like they're asking me as a way of mocking. The next time someone asks me this, my answer will be "take a look at me....there's your answer"


How do you know what women think of you, though? Have they specifically told you that they thought you were unattractive? Or is this your depression talking? Because that's what it sounds like to me.

MOST people are not all that attractive. MOST people are average at best. The ones who are really physically attractive are rare. So most people pair up with someone who is pretty similar to themselves.

I've heard this around this board a few times - guys who are absolutely convinced they must be hideously unattractive because women "scowl" at them or are not responsive in an otherwise positive way.

There are two things that spring to mind - 1. How did you approach her? Was the approach invited or was it a cold approach on someone who had all of her social cues up that said "I'm not interested in talking," but you tried to talk to her anyway? and then 2. Are you misreading a neutral facial expression for a negative one? Because if someone already has trouble reading social cues, you may also mistake a completely neutral expression for something negative.


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24 May 2018, 2:29 pm

The two ugliest people in my town are both married, and not to each other. Lots of my customers are ugly, lots of them smell, most of them have partners. I don't have an answer for you except that it's rarely as simple as being ugly.



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24 May 2018, 2:49 pm

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There are two things that spring to mind - 1. How did you approach her? Was the approach invited or was it a cold approach on someone who had all of her social cues up that said "I'm not interested in talking," but you tried to talk to her anyway? and then 2. Are you misreading a neutral facial expression for a negative one? Because if someone already has trouble reading social cues, you may also mistake a completely neutral expression for something negative.


To answer your questions:

1. I rarely approach (note I said rarely, not never). I'm often too terrified to do so, but, when I get the courage to approach, it's almost like nothing since I tend to say very little and she probably gets bored or creeped out somehow*. I really do not know if an approach was invited, or if she's giving "i'm not interested vibes", I can't answer that. I just try to follow the advice of relatives and acquaintances to "just go up and talk to her", but it hasn't been helpful obviously.
2. That might be a possibility, but I really can't tell for sure.

* - another thing is that I'm obsessively mindful of trying to not be creepy



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24 May 2018, 3:13 pm

It's great that you're concerned with not appearing creepy, because it shows that you do care. So that's a good thing.

This is just me, but I would never ever take my family's advice on anything because they're all so clueless. Like my parents still insist that I was naturally gifted at playing the violin when I was in grade school. I wasn't - I completely sucked at it - I could not even read the music - but their perception was through the lens of parents, who see that their child can do no wrong and is ALWAYS special and talented. So not exactly the best judge of character, or in this case, what may be appropriate.

I never do this but a blogger I really like has done several posts on being "creepy." I'm passing it along in case you may want to check it out.

http://www.doctornerdlove.com/how-to-not-be-creepy/

He's done several on this subject and his target audience is men on the geek spectrum, but his posts can be appreciated by anyone who may be lacking in social graces.


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24 May 2018, 3:44 pm

Luhluhluh wrote:
It's great that you're concerned with not appearing creepy, because it shows that you do care. So that's a good thing.

This is just me, but I would never ever take my family's advice on anything because they're all so clueless. Like my parents still insist that I was naturally gifted at playing the violin when I was in grade school. I wasn't - I completely sucked at it - I could not even read the music - but their perception was through the lens of parents, who see that their child can do no wrong and is ALWAYS special and talented. So not exactly the best judge of character, or in this case, what may be appropriate.

I never do this but a blogger I really like has done several posts on being "creepy." I'm passing it along in case you may want to check it out.

http://www.doctornerdlove.com/how-to-not-be-creepy/

He's done several on this subject and his target audience is men on the geek spectrum, but his posts can be appreciated by anyone who may be lacking in social graces.



That what happens to those hundred of untalented people who confidently demonstrate in singing competitions such as the Voice and end up as mockery material and emotionally broken in front of millions.

Parents are sometimes so stupid.



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24 May 2018, 3:47 pm

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Luhluhluh wrote:
It's great that you're concerned with not appearing creepy, because it shows that you do care. So that's a good thing.

This is just me, but I would never ever take my family's advice on anything because they're all so clueless. Like my parents still insist that I was naturally gifted at playing the violin when I was in grade school. I wasn't - I completely sucked at it - I could not even read the music - but their perception was through the lens of parents, who see that their child can do no wrong and is ALWAYS special and talented. So not exactly the best judge of character, or in this case, what may be appropriate.

I never do this but a blogger I really like has done several posts on being "creepy." I'm passing it along in case you may want to check it out.

http://www.doctornerdlove.com/how-to-not-be-creepy/

He's done several on this subject and his target audience is men on the geek spectrum, but his posts can be appreciated by anyone who may be lacking in social graces.



That what happens to those hundred of untalented people who confidently demonstrate in singing competitions such as the Voice and end up as mockery material and emotionally broken in front of millions.

Parents are sometimes so stupid.


Absolutely agreed :lol:


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24 May 2018, 4:30 pm

RavenShark wrote:
The fact that guys that (I thought) are ugly have girlfriends or are married only reinforces my ugliness.

If these same guys didn't have girlfriends, what effect would that have on your ugliness?



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24 May 2018, 5:33 pm

yellowtamarin wrote:
RavenShark wrote:
The fact that guys that (I thought) are ugly have girlfriends or are married only reinforces my ugliness.

If these same guys didn't have girlfriends, what effect would that have on your ugliness?


I'm not sure, to be honest. The more I think the harder it is to answer. The best I can say it would be less isolating, maybe.



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24 May 2018, 8:19 pm

So is there a guide on how to not look creepy?


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24 May 2018, 8:32 pm

Luhluhluh wrote:
2. Are you misreading a neutral facial expression for a negative one? Because if someone already has trouble reading social cues, you may also mistake a completely neutral expression for something negative.

Yes, this is an important thing to consider. I have a bit of a BRF (bitchy resting face), and when I'm out and about by myself and not in a chipper mood, I'm not very good at making myself look approachable. So it's interesting to ponder that while I'm thinking that I'm not presenting myself well to some guy, at the same time that guy could be thinking that I'm "rejecting" him with my expression or mannerisms that he takes to mean I find him ugly. Lose-lose!



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24 May 2018, 8:44 pm

I've got a resting bítch face too! What's the cure? Should we just smile all the time?


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24 May 2018, 9:24 pm

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I've got a resting bítch face too! What's the cure? Should we just smile all the time?

Nah I reckon that's one way to potentially look creepy! Cos it'll be a fake smile. I don't think there's a cure other than finding a way to be in a genuine cheerful mood all the time.



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25 May 2018, 7:52 am

Just for the record, I also have a "resting b***h face", and people tend to think I'm angry or annoyed when it's not the case at all.



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25 May 2018, 7:58 am

RetroGamer87 wrote:
I've got a resting bítch face too! What's the cure? Should we just smile all the time?


I always have natural RBF, and I've been told NUMEROUS times that I look like I'm angry, or in a bad mood, or sad, when the reality is that I've been in a perfectly good mood, but my face says otherwise. And to put myself in other's shoes, if they don't know me, they would THINK that I'm angry or hate them or something, which is totally not the case.

Basically I try very hard to be aware of it at least try to have a pleasant expression on my face, with a slight grin. It's hard because it does take an effort - and then there are days where I just don't care. I'm old enough to not care much anymore and accept the things about me that others on the surface find unattractive.


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