When YouTube Red-Pills the Love of Your Life

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18 Feb 2019, 7:13 pm

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I think women now need to me more explicit in their intentions, as suggested by Cosmo and other sources of dating advice to women. They can't wait passively like they did before, if they want an active love life.


This also has nothing to do with the article I posted or it's content. Women being "more explicit in their intentions", whatever you mean by that, has nothing to do with guys getting radicalized online by the red-pill-type right-wing ideologies. Women aren't making guys read that stuff and believe it, they are finding it on their own and trying to get the women in their lives to consume it and be brainwashed by it too, but the women are resisting because they don't want to be brainwashed and they don't agree with the misogyny and racism and various other types of bigotry common to red-pill communities. Has nothing to do with women's intentions in dating.



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18 Feb 2019, 8:45 pm

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Women being "more explicit in their intentions", whatever you mean by that, has nothing to do with guys getting radicalized online by the red-pill-type right-wing ideologies.
Is the Red-Pill "philosophy" a legitimate part of right-wing doctrine? Here in the US, the right-wing (if you want to call it that) is 50% female. I can't see many women buying in to this point of view. WPers on the Right, could you possibly weigh in on this?


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18 Feb 2019, 8:51 pm

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I don't think that was the issue. The issue was that we had productive discussions on Facebook up until they understood that I was anti-migration, and then they suddenly either unfriended me or ignored everything. I don't think that was just a coincidence.
I don't know what it's like to have grown up in Sweden any more than you know what it was like for me to grow up as a white person in the US, however so far as immigration to Sweden from the Middle East is concerned, I have to confess that this can possibly be blamed on the US, because the US foreign policy establishment at the time i.e. Barack Obama and his Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton (both of whom I voted for BTW) saw the Arab Spring as an opportunity to expand US influence in the Middle East, and their subsequent involvement in the region probably contributed to the expansion of war that led to homelessness and people there ultimately seeking refuge in Northern Europe. For which I willingly apologize.


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18 Feb 2019, 10:43 pm

I wouldn't be vulnerable to anything like the red pill. I would be happy I proved the ghetto hip-hop thugs and rednecks who pollute the social scene in my area as well as the general "bad boys" wrong, especially after they called me a "loser" for being single. I just hate how that day may never come. :(



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18 Feb 2019, 11:47 pm

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Women being "more explicit in their intentions", whatever you mean by that, has nothing to do with guys getting radicalized online by the red-pill-type right-wing ideologies.
Is the Red-Pill "philosophy" a legitimate part of right-wing doctrine? Here in the US, the right-wing (if you want to call it that) is 50% female. I can't see many women buying in to this point of view. WPers on the Right, could you possibly weigh in on this?


Have you never heard of "trad-con" women? They definitely exist. Also there are "cool girls". There are different types of women who internalize misogyny and its exhibited in different ways. Some women buy in with the abusers because they think it will give them an advantage over other women to be with the guys with power. People vote against their own interests like this all the time. Human nature contains a pretty strong self-destructive impulse.



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19 Feb 2019, 12:59 am

That's pretty much how most of the women in my area are like. I even knew one who was open to pre-marital sex but only if the guy called himself a Christian. If you don't call yourself a Christian even if you don't fully follow the tenants of whatever faith you subscribe to, you're pretty much doomed where I live. I really don't see a way out of my situation because I can't move and I can't bear to see couples pass me by. Whenever I see a young couple laughing and smiling, it makes me want to kill myself. I still hear the bullies at school calling me a "loser" and telling me "You'll never get laid!" in my head.



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19 Feb 2019, 2:50 am

You've gotta change that way of thinking in order to free yourself from what has become an expectation.


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19 Feb 2019, 4:47 am

Usually, this kind of thing starts when someone sees a Youtube video or reads a blogpost from these people that appears to have some viewpoints that they share but then because of the nature of people, they don't look up alternative viewpoints and also since internet algorithms like on Facebook feed back news and recommend articles based on what they already read, they get stuck in echo chambers. So, they gradually get pulled into and start believing the more and more extreme viewpoints of that group. That's the danger of how information is spread on the internet nowadays.

This doesn't only apply to how people get sucked in by Red-Pillers but also all kinds of hate groups as well as even the more kooky things on the internet like the anti-vaxxers, conspiracy theories and even flat earthers.



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19 Feb 2019, 7:22 am

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When YouTube Red-Pills the Love of Your Life

Anyone woman who finds themselves in a relationship with a "Red Pill" malevolent misogynist needs to run away as if the house is on fire.

If at this present moment you can't find someone who can at a bare minimum recognize your humanity and personhood and treat you with compassion, courtesy, and respect, you're better off alone!
There's no companionship with a fool.



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19 Feb 2019, 8:19 am

karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
You have to have enough in common in regards to what you believe and what you want out of life to be able to make choices for your shared life together, otherwise the relationship will fall apart.


I'll disagree. Not everybody has beliefs set in stone that they will push regardless of facts. People that cannot update their views based on facts are not well suited for relationships at all, but they might be able to get along with people that have similar beliefs set in stone.



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19 Feb 2019, 8:30 am

karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
MaxE wrote:
karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
Women being "more explicit in their intentions", whatever you mean by that, has nothing to do with guys getting radicalized online by the red-pill-type right-wing ideologies.
Is the Red-Pill "philosophy" a legitimate part of right-wing doctrine? Here in the US, the right-wing (if you want to call it that) is 50% female. I can't see many women buying in to this point of view. WPers on the Right, could you possibly weigh in on this?


Have you never heard of "trad-con" women? They definitely exist. Also there are "cool girls". There are different types of women who internalize misogyny and its exhibited in different ways. Some women buy in with the abusers because they think it will give them an advantage over other women to be with the guys with power. People vote against their own interests like this all the time. Human nature contains a pretty strong self-destructive impulse.


I don't think you have any evidence at all for the claim that right-wing and Red Pill are related. You are just lumping together everything you dislike into a single category.



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19 Feb 2019, 4:37 pm

rdos wrote:
karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
MaxE wrote:
karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
Women being "more explicit in their intentions", whatever you mean by that, has nothing to do with guys getting radicalized online by the red-pill-type right-wing ideologies.
Is the Red-Pill "philosophy" a legitimate part of right-wing doctrine? Here in the US, the right-wing (if you want to call it that) is 50% female. I can't see many women buying in to this point of view. WPers on the Right, could you possibly weigh in on this?


Have you never heard of "trad-con" women? They definitely exist. Also there are "cool girls". There are different types of women who internalize misogyny and its exhibited in different ways. Some women buy in with the abusers because they think it will give them an advantage over other women to be with the guys with power. People vote against their own interests like this all the time. Human nature contains a pretty strong self-destructive impulse.


I don't think you have any evidence at all for the claim that right-wing and Red Pill are related. You are just lumping together everything you dislike into a single category.


The red pill philosophy is incompatible with the left, that's why so many people who adhere to it are on the right wing. Just like socialism is incompatible with the right wing so you don't meet a lot of right-wing socialists. Red-pill is an extreme right-wing ideology because it is socially extremely conservative and oppressive to certain populations (like women and LGBTQ people). Here's an example of a facebook group called "Right wing memes to redpill the world", that should demonstrate how the red-pill ideology and the extreme right wing are covering the same political territory.

https://www.facebook.com/RightWingRedpill/

And a story about a "redpill radio host" who is on the right: Red-Pill Radio Host Raises Money for Michael Flynn, Promises Patriot Crowd at Courthouse for Sentencing

And an article about the reddit red-pill forums and how they swing extreme right: What is r/TheRedPill, the infamous men’s rights subreddit?

And another article explaining the "red-pill right": A beginner's guide to the Redpill Right

Is that enough evidence for you to connect the red-pill ideology and the right wing? Because if not if you google "red-pill right wing" lots more information should come up if you need further evidence of the connection.



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19 Feb 2019, 5:23 pm

I had a good chuckle at the idea of traditionally conservative women being self-hating mentioned above. I suppose not having sex with any random stranger who asks, dressing well, not taking drugs, not swearing in public and not binge drinking every weekend are the height of self-loathing :lol:

Anybody who believes socialism is incompatible with the right of the political spectrum has obviously never heard of Mr. Christopher Lasch. I myself am a proud conservative on social issues and socialist on economic issues.



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19 Feb 2019, 6:24 pm

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I had a good chuckle at the idea of traditionally conservative women being self-hating mentioned above. I suppose not having sex with any random stranger who asks, dressing well, not taking drugs, not swearing in public and not binge drinking every weekend are the height of self-loathing :lol:

Anybody who believes socialism is incompatible with the right of the political spectrum has obviously never heard of Mr. Christopher Lasch. I myself am a proud conservative on social issues and socialist on economic issues.


Are you saying liberal women have sex with any random stranger who asks? Because I'm a liberal woman and I've never had casual sex, and haven't had any kind of sex in a few years. Also I don't drink alcohol or do drugs. And I'd say I dress pretty well, though not in skirts and heels. I actually think women who wear skirts and heels are the ones who look slu*ty because they are trying to appeal to men's sexuality by dressing that way. Any more liberal stereotypes you'd like me to dismantle for you?



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19 Feb 2019, 6:30 pm

Jono wrote:
Usually, this kind of thing starts when someone sees a Youtube video or reads a blogpost from these people that appears to have some viewpoints that they share but then because of the nature of people, they don't look up alternative viewpoints and also since internet algorithms like on Facebook feed back news and recommend articles based on what they already read, they get stuck in echo chambers. So, they gradually get pulled into and start believing the more and more extreme viewpoints of that group. That's the danger of how information is spread on the internet nowadays.

This doesn't only apply to how people get sucked in by Red-Pillers but also all kinds of hate groups as well as even the more kooky things on the internet like the anti-vaxxers, conspiracy theories and even flat earthers.


I've noticed there seem to be a few of that type here, that are resistant to new information unless it conforms to what they already believe and seem to be stuck in echo chambers perspective-wise as you describe. That's one of the reasons I wanted to make this thread, hoping some of those guys might see themselves in this article and relate and pull themselves out of that echo chamber before it's too late for them and they push everyone away.



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19 Feb 2019, 6:30 pm

karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
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I had a good chuckle at the idea of traditionally conservative women being self-hating mentioned above. I suppose not having sex with any random stranger who asks, dressing well, not taking drugs, not swearing in public and not binge drinking every weekend are the height of self-loathing :lol:

Anybody who believes socialism is incompatible with the right of the political spectrum has obviously never heard of Mr. Christopher Lasch. I myself am a proud conservative on social issues and socialist on economic issues.


Are you saying liberal women have sex with any random stranger who asks? Because I'm a liberal woman and I've never had casual sex, and haven't had any kind of sex in a few years. Also I don't drink alcohol or do drugs. And I'd say I dress pretty well, though not in skirts and heels. I actually think women who wear skirts and heels are the ones who look slu*ty because they are trying to appeal to men's sexuality by dressing that way. Any more liberal stereotypes you'd like me to dismantle for you?


This is equivocation; I didn't say all liberal women were vulgar, but that all vulgar women were liberal. There *may* be vulgar women who are politically conservative in some loose way, but I can't imagine many self-identified traditionalist conservative women do any of the things mentioned, while I most definitely can imagine many self-identified social "liberals" engaging in those activities. I have to note that I use the word "liberal" reluctantly here, given that liberalism has a noble and treasured history in the western world - particularly the Anglophone world - and it's a shame to see it dragged into the dirt the way it has been. "Social nihilists" would be better.

Returning to topic, I'd like to state for the record that I don't sympathize with "red pill" idiots one bit. I don't even think they merit being discussed, but rather, I began reading this thread because I enjoy Mr Rdos' posts.