Asperger's/Autism and Romantic Isolation

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29 May 2019, 9:26 pm

It's pretty clear, even just by looking at this site, that romantic and sexual isolation is prevalent among people with autism and asperger's, which makes sense considering one of the distinguishing features of autism is issues with social skills.

The purpose of this thread is to look at what could be done to minimise the prevalence of romantic isolation among people with autism and asperger's. There will be three questions relating to what could be changed.

1. The Individual
If an individual with autism finds themselves unable to forge romantic relationships, what measures can they take to solve this problem, and improve their chances of being able to cultivate a romantic relationship?

2. Those Close To Them
What, if anything, can those close to an individual on the spectrum, like friends and family members, do to help an autistic person either get out of romantic isolation, or help prevent them from even experiencing it in the first place?

3. Broader Society
What, if anything, can society at large do to minimise the prevalence of romantic isolation among autistic people? What measures, if any, could be taken?



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30 May 2019, 7:35 am

Why does "society" have an obligation to minimize my romantic isolation?



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30 May 2019, 6:06 pm

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Why does "society" have an obligation to minimize my romantic isolation?

Nobody has said that it does. The framing of this post is what could society do, not what should society do.



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30 May 2019, 6:29 pm

The Grand Inquisitor wrote:
1. The Individual
If an individual with autism finds themselves unable to forge romantic relationships, what measures can they take to solve this problem, and improve their chances of being able to cultivate a romantic relationship?
They could try looking for people from other cultures like the mail-order bride route or they could try & take in someone who needs a place to stay. I would of done one of those things if I could of.


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2. Those Close To Them
What, if anything, can those close to an individual on the spectrum, like friends and family members, do to help an autistic person either get out of romantic isolation, or help prevent them from even experiencing it in the first place?
They could try to find a romantic partner for them. Set the autistic up on dates & give them tips on how to act & where to look ect.


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3. Broader Society
What, if anything, can society at large do to minimise the prevalence of romantic isolation among autistic people? What measures, if any, could be taken?
They could bring back arranged marriages or have national/state programs that help pair up people on dates.


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30 May 2019, 6:51 pm

nick007 wrote:
The Grand Inquisitor wrote:
1. The Individual
If an individual with autism finds themselves unable to forge romantic relationships, what measures can they take to solve this problem, and improve their chances of being able to cultivate a romantic relationship?
They could try looking for people from other cultures like the mail-order bride route or they could try & take in someone who needs a place to stay. I would of done one of those things if I could of.


Both those require the aspie have good income and money


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30 May 2019, 7:16 pm

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nick007 wrote:
The Grand Inquisitor wrote:
1. The Individual
If an individual with autism finds themselves unable to forge romantic relationships, what measures can they take to solve this problem, and improve their chances of being able to cultivate a romantic relationship?
They could try looking for people from other cultures like the mail-order bride route or they could try & take in someone who needs a place to stay. I would of done one of those things if I could of.


Both those require the aspie have good income and money
Everybody has to have something to offer a partner. It's important he/she takes a long hard look at him/herself to figure out what it is. In my case it's being very accepting of people who have various disabilities & issues & also trying my best to be supportive of my romantic partner. Having an idea of what my strength/had to offer was, allowed me to seek out women who wanted or could use that.


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30 May 2019, 7:43 pm

Here are my ideas.

1.Person with autism can attend a social group or services that help with socializing

2.Family and friends can find said groups or services that will help them with socializing

3.Society in general needs more areas that have access to said services and groups for people with autism to attend.


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31 May 2019, 7:27 am

AquaineBay wrote:

3.Society in general needs more areas that have access to said services and groups for people with autism to attend.


So this does make some sense. Having said that, I don't think "society" has such a responsibility either on a should or a could level.



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31 May 2019, 10:11 am

nick007 wrote:
The Grand Inquisitor wrote:
1. The Individual
If an individual with autism finds themselves unable to forge romantic relationships, what measures can they take to solve this problem, and improve their chances of being able to cultivate a romantic relationship?
They could try looking for people from other cultures like the mail-order bride route or they could try & take in someone who needs a place to stay. I would of done one of those things if I could of.

But you're exploiting people in bad situations who are only with you due to their bad situation. They're not with you because of shared morals or values, or anything substantive on which to build a relationship, and after the homeless woman gets back on her feet, or the mail order bride gets citizenship, what's to stop them from leaving? You've served your purpose.



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31 May 2019, 3:08 pm

The Grand Inquisitor wrote:
red_doghubb wrote:
Why does "society" have an obligation to minimize my romantic isolation?

Nobody has said that it does. The framing of this post is what could society do, not what should society do.


Yeah, because we all don't live on an island.



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31 May 2019, 3:39 pm

2 and 3 won't work because no one really cares, every one is busy with their own life.



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31 May 2019, 5:04 pm

nick007 wrote:
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nick007 wrote:
The Grand Inquisitor wrote:
1. The Individual
If an individual with autism finds themselves unable to forge romantic relationships, what measures can they take to solve this problem, and improve their chances of being able to cultivate a romantic relationship?
They could try looking for people from other cultures like the mail-order bride route or they could try & take in someone who needs a place to stay. I would of done one of those things if I could of.


Both those require the aspie have good income and money
Everybody has to have something to offer a partner. It's important he/she takes a long hard look at him/herself to figure out what it is. In my case it's being very accepting of people who have various disabilities & issues & also trying my best to be supportive of my romantic partner. Having an idea of what my strength/had to offer was, allowed me to seek out women who wanted or could use that.


That’s not any any other man could offer,
I have nothing of material worth to offer and that’s the only things worth anything in the US dating world.
Skills
Money
Status
I have non.

You just got lucky, all the disabled women I’ve met want well of fmen who can provide for them, shelter them, lavish them with gifts and food.


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31 May 2019, 5:50 pm

The Grand Inquisitor wrote:
But you're exploiting people in bad situations who are only with you due to their bad situation. They're not with you because of shared morals or values, or anything substantive on which to build a relationship, and after the homeless woman gets back on her feet, or the mail order bride gets citizenship, what's to stop them from leaving? You've served your purpose.

A less exploitative -- and more affordable -- variant on the "mail order bride" idea:

Move (or convince you family to move, if you can't move on your own) to a cosmopolitan neighborhood with lots of immigrants from many different countries all over the world. (Such neighborhoods tend to be relatively inexpensive, thanks to white racial fears, although NOT nearly as dangerous or otherwise undesirable as many white people apparently imagine.)

Then, say hello and/or introduce yourself to all your neighbors whenever you happen to meet them, and gradually build a circle of acquaintances by spending time talking to anyone in the neighborhood who is willing to talk to you (whether you are attracted to them or not). Eventually you may meet, or be introduced to, someone with whom you have enough in common to have a sound basis for a real relationship, not just a marriage of convenience -- although becoming a citizen would likely be ONE of the person's goals.

(This whole idea likely won't work too well if you're a visible Trump supporter, though. That is the one and only hitch I see that could make this option unfeasible for sly279.)


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31 May 2019, 5:59 pm

Mona Pereth wrote:
The Grand Inquisitor wrote:
But you're exploiting people in bad situations who are only with you due to their bad situation. They're not with you because of shared morals or values, or anything substantive on which to build a relationship, and after the homeless woman gets back on her feet, or the mail order bride gets citizenship, what's to stop them from leaving? You've served your purpose.

A less exploitative -- and more affordable -- variant on the "mail order bride" idea:

Move (or convince you family to move, if you can't move on your own) to a cosmopolitan neighborhood with lots of immigrants from many different countries all over the world. (Such neighborhoods tend to be relatively inexpensive, thanks to white racial fears, although NOT nearly as dangerous or otherwise undesirable as many white people apparently imagine.)

Then, say hello and/or introduce yourself to all your neighbors whenever you happen to meet them, and gradually build a circle of acquaintances by spending time talking to anyone in the neighborhood who is willing to talk to you (whether you are attracted to them or not). Eventually you may meet, or be introduced to, someone with whom you have enough in common to have a sound basis for a real relationship, not just a marriage of convenience -- although becoming a citizen would likely be ONE of the person's goals.

(This whole idea likely won't work too well if you're a visible Trump supporter, though. That is the one and only hitch I see that could make this option unfeasible for sly279.)


Considering that Buffalo has a rapidly growing refugee population, this is actually a pretty brilliant idea! :o Unfortunately my family isn't quite as worldly as I am so they probably wouldn't be too comfortable with me dating a foreigner :P



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31 May 2019, 6:46 pm

Mona Pereth wrote:
The Grand Inquisitor wrote:
But you're exploiting people in bad situations who are only with you due to their bad situation. They're not with you because of shared morals or values, or anything substantive on which to build a relationship, and after the homeless woman gets back on her feet, or the mail order bride gets citizenship, what's to stop them from leaving? You've served your purpose.

A less exploitative -- and more affordable -- variant on the "mail order bride" idea:

Move (or convince you family to move, if you can't move on your own) to a cosmopolitan neighborhood with lots of immigrants from many different countries all over the world. (Such neighborhoods tend to be relatively inexpensive, thanks to white racial fears, although NOT nearly as dangerous or otherwise undesirable as many white people apparently imagine.)

Then, say hello and/or introduce yourself to all your neighbors whenever you happen to meet them, and gradually build a circle of acquaintances by spending time talking to anyone in the neighborhood who is willing to talk to you (whether you are attracted to them or not). Eventually you may meet, or be introduced to, someone with whom you have enough in common to have a sound basis for a real relationship, not just a marriage of convenience -- although becoming a citizen would likely be ONE of the person's goals.

(This whole idea likely won't work too well if you're a visible Trump supporter, though. That is the one and only hitch I see that could make this option unfeasible for sly279.)


That sound creepy. I doubt any foreign woman would want to date me unless to use me.
I dont know what you mean by visible, do you think trump supporters look different then others ?

2nd I can’t afford to move. I already live in poor area aw have immigrants here as we are a “safe state” poor women won’t date poor men like me.


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31 May 2019, 7:10 pm

Unless you wear a MAGA hat, people won't be able to tell you're a Trump supporter.