Claims that a few "super hot men" are hogging all the women

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28 Jun 2019, 6:10 am

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A really good looking black man would illicit fear first in the average white girl before there's any thought about the person underneath

Not in this century - good looking black men (in the West) are actually seen as very desirable/sought after and are often fetishised in a similar fashion to Asian women.


And then there's the real world
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/white-wo ... b_10134298

One man, one incident, written about three years ago.


Yes I'm sure you would bravely walk into a group of black men by yourself...stop kidding yourself
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/a-white- ... ae050dc793


I’m older than all of you! 8) And yes, I might be wary of walking into a group of men by myself, black, white, brown - whatever - even at my age. But I have done it. It depends upon the circumstances, for example alone at night, rather than the people’s colour. Matter of fact I would be wary about walking alone into a group of women by myself at times!



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28 Jun 2019, 6:09 pm

AnneOleson wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
AnneOleson wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
BenderRodriguez wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
A really good looking black man would illicit fear first in the average white girl before there's any thought about the person underneath

Not in this century - good looking black men (in the West) are actually seen as very desirable/sought after and are often fetishised in a similar fashion to Asian women.


And then there's the real world
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/white-wo ... b_10134298

One man, one incident, written about three years ago.


Yes I'm sure you would bravely walk into a group of black men by yourself...stop kidding yourself
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/a-white- ... ae050dc793


I’m older than all of you! 8) And yes, I might be wary of walking into a group of men by myself, black, white, brown - whatever - even at my age. But I have done it. It depends upon the circumstances, for example alone at night, rather than the people’s colour. Matter of fact I would be wary about walking alone into a group of women by myself at times!


Fair enough...



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29 Jun 2019, 12:53 am

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Yes I'm sure you would bravely walk into a group of black men by yourself...stop kidding yourself
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/a-white- ... ae050dc793


Not only would I do it, I'd start spitting rhymes. That's called going to a cypher. :nerdy:


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29 Jun 2019, 6:59 am

Most dudes I've ever seen out in public with a girl were just average looking, if not below average.



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29 Jun 2019, 7:31 am

BenderRodriguez wrote:
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A really good looking black man would illicit fear first in the average white girl before there's any thought about the person underneath

Not in this century - good looking black men (in the West) are actually seen as very desirable/sought after and are often fetishised in a similar fashion to Asian women.
It's possible to simultaneously fetishize members of a particular group and also be prejudiced against members of that same group. I can recall having read years ago that in the Jim Crow southern US, it was common for gay white men to choose to have sex with black men, but remain committed to legalized segregation. Prejudice against black men is strongly associated with irrational fear. Fantasizing about sex with a black man won't make that fear go away. In fact, I have seen more than one woman on this forum talk about fantasies they have regarding sex with men of any color, while insisting they would never do such a thing IRL because of sensory issues, social anxiety, etc.


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29 Jun 2019, 7:35 am

This is getting to be an old thread, but I feel the urge to suggest that this phenomenon, although probably real, mostly affects people seeking casual sex via apps like Tinder. Because even today, I suspect there are far more men actively seeking casual hook-ups than there are women seeking the same thing, plus the fact that these women are likely aware that they can expect to be having sex with somebody who has had a substantial number of other recent sex partners (a deal breaker for many women) and don't care. Although not a woman myself, I think I am should feel safe in saying that such women represent a minority.


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29 Jun 2019, 6:39 pm

Isn't there at least some truth to this concept?



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29 Jun 2019, 6:41 pm

No, there isn’t.



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29 Jun 2019, 6:49 pm

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Like with anything, men need to be educated about the dangers of pornography and, if banning it is infeasible, legislators need to consider regulating it (as heavily as they can). The UK is in the process of introducing effective pornography "licenses" which must be purchased physically in stores, which would be required to access pornographic websites. This is an excellent first step.

I understand why and how women are losing interest in men. Frankly, if I were a heterosexual woman today, I'd very quickly lose interest in men upon coming of age. As a heterosexual man, I've lost interest in women for similar reasons (I believe both masculinity and femininity have declined catastrophically in this part of the world).

At any rate, I don't think porn is the sole cause of men's ineffectuality and emasculation, but an effect of an underlying cause, which is the cult of self-indulgence and abnegation of responsibility that has emerged since the 60s. They've bought into the pernicious lie that they can enjoy an unlimited amount of pleasure without paying for it and shirk their responsibilities (usually handing them on to the government or their parents (more often parent singular, given the absence of dads, itself a cause of this problem)) and don't know what they've done wrong when women scorn these sorts of attitudes, given that they've unwisely trusted those peddling the above lie.

I don't think the only manifestation of this problem of male ineffectuality is porn, however. To name a few, I'd also list things like rampant drug addiction; the desire to retreat into a fantasy world, usually consisting of video games; the tendency towards gross perversions such as sadomasochism; poor educational performance; juvenile delinquency; sentimentalism; inarticulacy; the cult of mindless thrills in things like the biker culture and films like "Jackass"; the inability to take themselves seriously; slovenly dress; poor hygiene; the eschewal of responsibility; the deferment of marriage and parenthood.

I don't want to be unfair on men though; I reiterate that both sexes have declined in a way that may well ultimately threaten the viability of western civilisation itself, so low is it on social capital.

I know it will be controversial, but I've concluded that it's only through a return to traditional, nominally Christian values that there is any hope for the next generation, or even mine.


I disagree that pornography needs to be more regulated that it is currently. I think a better solution is to fund programs that educate both genders about the real potential issues it causes in society.



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29 Jun 2019, 6:53 pm

Prometheus18 wrote:
Like with anything, men need to be educated about the dangers of pornography and, if banning it is infeasible, legislators need to consider regulating it (as heavily as they can). The UK is in the process of introducing effective pornography "licenses" which must be purchased physically in stores, which would be required to access pornographic websites. This is an excellent first step.

I understand why and how women are losing interest in men. Frankly, if I were a heterosexual woman today, I'd very quickly lose interest in men upon coming of age. As a heterosexual man, I've lost interest in women for similar reasons (I believe both masculinity and femininity have declined catastrophically in this part of the world).

At any rate, I don't think porn is the sole cause of men's ineffectuality and emasculation, but an effect of an underlying cause, which is the cult of self-indulgence and abnegation of responsibility that has emerged since the 60s. They've bought into the pernicious lie that they can enjoy an unlimited amount of pleasure without paying for it and shirk their responsibilities (usually handing them on to the government or their parents (more often parent singular, given the absence of dads, itself a cause of this problem)) and don't know what they've done wrong when women scorn these sorts of attitudes, given that they've unwisely trusted those peddling the above lie.

I don't think the only manifestation of this problem of male ineffectuality is porn, however. To name a few, I'd also list things like rampant drug addiction; the desire to retreat into a fantasy world, usually consisting of video games; the tendency towards gross perversions such as sadomasochism; poor educational performance; juvenile delinquency; sentimentalism; inarticulacy; the cult of mindless thrills in things like the biker culture and films like "Jackass"; the inability to take themselves seriously; slovenly dress; poor hygiene; the eschewal of responsibility; the deferment of marriage and parenthood.

I don't want to be unfair on men though; I reiterate that both sexes have declined in a way that may well ultimately threaten the viability of western civilisation itself, so low is it on social capital.

I know it will be controversial, but I've concluded that it's only through a return to traditional, nominally Christian values that there is any hope for the next generation, or even mine.

Unless all of us more traditional-leaning Westerners find some other land to conquer and protect as our own new homeland...

But this isn't the PPR forum, I am ahead of myself.



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29 Jun 2019, 7:00 pm

It gets even worse that we aren't allowed to talk about it anymore because society decided to frame any criticism men have as the opposite gender as hating the opposite gender.

Hell on earth. Will things ever go back someday?



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29 Jun 2019, 7:02 pm

MaxE wrote:
This is getting to be an old thread, but I feel the urge to suggest that this phenomenon, although probably real, mostly affects people seeking casual sex via apps like Tinder. Because even today, I suspect there are far more men actively seeking casual hook-ups than there are women seeking the same thing, plus the fact that these women are likely aware that they can expect to be having sex with somebody who has had a substantial number of other recent sex partners (a deal breaker for many women) and don't care. Although not a woman myself, I think I am should feel safe in saying that such women represent a minority.


I think it's become harder overall whether seeking long-term or casual sex.



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29 Jun 2019, 7:25 pm

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. Prejudice against black men is strongly associated with irrational fear.


Don't have to go back to the Jim Crow era to see evidence of irrational fear. The next POTUS to be elected in 2020 illustrated this within our own lifetime

At the democrat debate Kamala Harris told Joe Biden
“Growing up, my sister and I had to deal with the neighbour who told us her parents couldn’t play with us because she – because we were black,” Harris added, at one point noting that she was the “only black person on this stage.”

No point sweeping this stuff under the carpet....



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29 Jun 2019, 7:27 pm

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It gets even worse that we aren't allowed to talk about it anymore because society decided to frame any criticism men have as the opposite gender as hating the opposite gender.

Hell on earth. Will things ever go back someday?


I think this forum is a safe space to talk as long as you are respectful



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29 Jun 2019, 7:58 pm

cyberdad wrote:
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It gets even worse that we aren't allowed to talk about it anymore because society decided to frame any criticism men have as the opposite gender as hating the opposite gender.

Hell on earth. Will things ever go back someday?


I think this forum is a safe space to talk as long as you are respectful


It isn't if the argument you make is always framed as just sexist or misogynistic no matter what.



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29 Jun 2019, 8:08 pm

Hollywood_Guy wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Hollywood_Guy wrote:
It gets even worse that we aren't allowed to talk about it anymore because society decided to frame any criticism men have as the opposite gender as hating the opposite gender.

Hell on earth. Will things ever go back someday?


I think this forum is a safe space to talk as long as you are respectful


It isn't if the argument you make is always framed as just sexist or misogynistic no matter what.

It depends how you frame your arguments/questions