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martianprincess
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16 Jun 2020, 12:01 am

Even in relationships, I never felt like I "fit in" with my partner. I've done so much dating and I've been married and it was the closest thing I had, but still I felt alienated in an indefinable way.

How do you manage to be close with people and feel like you fit with them? I don't even know how to ask this or describe it. I never feel lonely but I usually feel like I'm in an entirely different universe and I don't know how to land my spaceship.

I don't really want to be stuck in space forever.


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16 Jun 2020, 12:25 am

I don’t “fit in,” either.

I’ve had many relationships, and have been married for quite a while.

I guess I would pay lip service to whatever is going on in a particular conversation. Join coworkers in lotteries and discussing certain TV shows. Stuff like that.

A great part of “fitting in” is mutual dependency with your friends. I don’t like mutual dependency. Maybe that’s why I don’t have too many friends.



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16 Jun 2020, 1:07 am

I 1,000% relate to this sentiment of not "fitting" with partners nor friends.

I think most of us here can....

Mutual benefit > mutual dependency, no?


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16 Jun 2020, 4:54 am

that1weirdgrrrl wrote:
I think most of us here can....

yeah, sorry, no help from me neither. I've been married (twice) and I still feel the same way you do...of not quite fitting in. Currently I'm married with 5 kids, but I still feel like I don't belong to my family most days, feel like a complete and utter outsider, a stranger in my own home. Maybe that's a feeling that is common across people across the spectrum?



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16 Jun 2020, 5:22 am

I also feel "emotionally detached," I am not autistic but have CPTSD and need much alone time. I do love people but I always seem to be in a separate energetic field, as if I am watching everyone else from a different dimension, aware of my separateness.My emotional attachment seems more superficial than others seem to have with each other. This has nothing to do with my depth of caring just my sense of belonging.


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16 Jun 2020, 5:27 am

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as if I am watching everyone else from a different dimension, aware of my separateness.

Well put. One of my main issues is finding words to describe my feelings. Mind if I steal this next time my wife or psychologist ask me how I feel? :)



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16 Jun 2020, 6:44 am

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Teach51 wrote:
as if I am watching everyone else from a different dimension, aware of my separateness.

Well put. One of my main issues is finding words to describe my feelings. Mind if I steal this next time my wife or psychologist ask me how I feel? :)


My pleasure :lol:


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16 Jun 2020, 7:05 am

My therapist is treating me with SSP Integrated Listening Therapy which seems to be callibrating my emotional responses more efficiently. I have serious "fight or flight" issues since childhood abuse/neglect. He uses it with ASD clients very effectively (his words). I never would have imagined how I am now more in touch with my feelings and freeze much less in dialogue. If someone would shout at me or be verbally aggressive I would freeze, shut down. Now I can seem to be able to pull out an appropriate response (what I want to express at that moment) without fear. That helps with my feeling as though I am less of an "alien."


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16 Jun 2020, 7:34 am

martianprincess wrote:
Even in relationships, I never felt like I "fit in" with my partner. I've done so much dating and I've been married and it was the closest thing I had, but still I felt alienated in an indefinable way.

How do you manage to be close with people and feel like you fit with them? I don't even know how to ask this or describe it. I never feel lonely but I usually feel like I'm in an entirely different universe and I don't know how to land my spaceship.

I don't really want to be stuck in space forever.


Personally, I believe most of us are initially conditioned into embracing social values that are "Off The Rack".
A one size fits all path to happiness.
With arbitrarily defined social/parental expectations putting additional pressure onto us,
And confusing our desire for our own unique path.

Those on the spectrum are expected to embrace arbitrary NT social values.
I prefer self-determination and self-actualisation. :wink:

BTW,
I'm a Vulcan who doesn't mind space exploration. 8)



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16 Jun 2020, 7:43 am

Teach51 wrote:
I also feel "emotionally detached," I am not autistic but have CPTSD and need much alone time. I do love people but I always seem to be in a separate energetic field, as if I am watching everyone else from a different dimension, aware of my separateness.My emotional attachment seems more superficial than others seem to have with each other. This has nothing to do with my depth of caring just my sense of belonging.


I was a little concerned I may have offended you with my anti NT attitude.
I am happy to see you are still here. :wink:

Do you also have NT websites where you can talk about your psychological difficulties?
We auties aren't bad people,
And I know your BF is an aspie,
But we are very different thinkers. :wink:



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16 Jun 2020, 7:48 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
I don’t “fit in,” either.

I’ve had many relationships, and have been married for quite a while.

I guess I would pay lip service to whatever is going on in a particular conversation. Join coworkers in lotteries and discussing certain TV shows. Stuff like that.

A great part of “fitting in” is mutual dependency with your friends. I don’t like mutual dependency. Maybe that’s why I don’t have too many friends.


I am revelling in my isolation and independence.
I have never felt more peaceful and in control.
Perhaps this COVID-19 had a silver lining, for people like me.
I can't see myself ever going back to my old mindset. :wink:



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16 Jun 2020, 8:02 am

I bet you're always like "We're not in Kansas anymore" despite being always there.... how confusing.

You should get a pet and call it Toto.



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16 Jun 2020, 8:21 am

Pepe wrote:
Teach51 wrote:
I also feel "emotionally detached," I am not autistic but have CPTSD and need much alone time. I do love people but I always seem to be in a separate energetic field, as if I am watching everyone else from a different dimension, aware of my separateness.My emotional attachment seems more superficial than others seem to have with each other. This has nothing to do with my depth of caring just my sense of belonging.


I was a little concerned I may have offended you with my anti NT attitude.
I am happy to see you are still here. :wink:

Do you also have NT websites where you can talk about your psychological difficulties?
We auties aren't bad people,
And I know your BF is an aspie,
But we are very different thinkers. :wink:


No, not offended. I am not on other NT forums. I have friends I talk to when I need to.
I came here to further my understanding of aspies, and you have all helped me to understand myself more as an added benefit.
I get your warped, perverse sense of humour Pepe, we're good.


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16 Jun 2020, 9:44 am

Feeling separate from others, on the "wrong planet", alien, etc even from people you're close to is a part of autism. I've accepted it and focus on appreciating those close to me for who they are as best I can. I've accepted that I will have the feeling of disconnect from them, but at the same time I know that there are certain times where I'll share connections with them. They happen sometimes and they're special even if they don't happen as often as I'd wish for.



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16 Jun 2020, 6:36 pm

martianprincess wrote:
Even in relationships, I never felt like I "fit in" with my partner. I've done so much dating and I've been married and it was the closest thing I had, but still I felt alienated in an indefinable way.

How do you manage to be close with people and feel like you fit with them? I don't even know how to ask this or describe it. I never feel lonely but I usually feel like I'm in an entirely different universe and I don't know how to land my spaceship.


Guess the thing is that you have to be emotional close to others for this. But it's much harder for us then for most NTs because we are emotional different and we are thinking in very different ways and care quite different things than most NTs value.

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I don't really want to be stuck in space forever.

If it comes to me then you are allowed to drift by and dock on a bit.
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16 Jun 2020, 9:23 pm

Teach51 wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Teach51 wrote:
I also feel "emotionally detached," I am not autistic but have CPTSD and need much alone time. I do love people but I always seem to be in a separate energetic field, as if I am watching everyone else from a different dimension, aware of my separateness.My emotional attachment seems more superficial than others seem to have with each other. This has nothing to do with my depth of caring just my sense of belonging.


I was a little concerned I may have offended you with my anti NT attitude.
I am happy to see you are still here. :wink:

Do you also have NT websites where you can talk about your psychological difficulties?
We auties aren't bad people,
And I know your BF is an aspie,
But we are very different thinkers. :wink:


No, not offended. I am not on other NT forums. I have friends I talk to when I need to.
I came here to further my understanding of aspies, and you have all helped me to understand myself more as an added benefit.
I get your warped, perverse sense of humour Pepe, we're good.


Ouch!
That was a back-hander if ever I saw one. 8O

Rather,
My humour is steeped in intellectually fuelled satire,
The intelligent man's go-to for comedic social commentary. 8)