Frank conversation about cheating with my girlfriend

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07 Jan 2021, 4:04 pm

Here is the conversation I had this morning with my girlfriend. She knows I have Asperger and she is an elementary school teacher, so she is very understanding. Plus she is severely overweight and overweight women tend to be understanding too since they don't have other options. So I pretty much knew that I could have a little bit of fun without losing her since it wasn't the first time I pulled pranks, although this particular prank was rather unexpected on her end. Anyway, here is the that part of the chatlog, verbatim :)

ME: I just read that with all those dating apps around, 60% of married couples cheat and among people that just date the percentage is much higher (they didn't say what). So I guess you are probably cheating on me.

HER: So what's really going on? The real reason you sent an accusing message.

ME: I did it because it's funny. The funny part is that it's not a real accusation since 1. It doesn't mention anything you do 2. If anything it makes you look better since a) if you don't cheat it tells you you are better than most people b) If you do cheat it tells you you are not so bad

HER: That was not a nice first text to receive from you this morning

ME: I didn't mean to hurt you. I was just trying to be funny

HER: I assumed you sent it because you were frustrated about something else

ME: No. I just read an ad for peolewhiz and it mentioned those stats which surprised me. I guess I wanted to ask you what is your take on it in general (which has nothing to do with the two of us) but I decided to do it in a funny way instead

HER: Honestly, I'm surprised it is that high. I've really never understood how a person can cheat on their significant other. Especially when they're married and made a commitment to each other

ME: I mean from logical point of view it is easy to see why they would cheat. If someone waits for ideal partner then, no matter how attractive they are, they would probably wait their whole life (an ideal partner would be a star of some sort). Therefore, if an average person doesn't want to face a prospect of being single forever, they have to settle "to some degree" (sure, less attractive people settle to higher degree than more attractive people, but everyone settles "somewhat"). Now, after the person has settled, it would be good to trade less-than-perfect option they settled on with a better option. So they cheat. Of course if they could predict ahead of time the best possible option they, personally, can get, then they would find that option and not cheat. But since nobody knows ahead of time their level of luck, that's why they use the strategy where they keep cheating in order to move higher and higher on ranks so to speak

HER: I don't understand your logic. Picking a partner is not like picking a vehicle you trade in when a better model comes along. Are you saying you would cheat on your spouse if you found someone that was more attractive? Isn't it more about being compatible with that person?

ME: Well, being compatible doesn't single out one person. Each person is generally compatible with a group of people. So then one can still talk about moving up the ranks within a group of people they are compatible with.

HER: Just wow...

ME: I think the main four things that would stop one from cheating are the following: a) Not wanting to hurt the other person. In order for the above logic to be relevant, the goal of cheating would have to be eventual trading of partners as opposed to a simple fling. It would be logically impossible to accomplish that goal without the current partner knowing. So they will get hurt b) The amount of time they put into a relationship. Here is a good example. I don't really need math PhD since I already have physics PhD (even if I wanted to be a professor in math department I could use physics PhD for that too) But since I put so much time doing a coursework when I could have been doing my own research, I want to get that math PhD so that that time doesn't go for nothing c) In God's eyes cheating is a sin d) Emotional bond that formed as a result of relationship that goes beyond a and b. So I do see reasons why people wouldn't cheat. I am just saying I also see why they would. The "absence" of a, b, c and d being a factor would make it logically likely for someone to cheat.

HER: I would hope that D would outweigh a and b.

ME: Yes it does. I really like you a lot. Although it's not really outweigh since a and b points in the same direction d does. Its more like "d is a bigger reason than a and b"

HER: Haha... had to point it out, don't you *wink*

ME: Just to avoid the possibility of you misreading what I wrote

HER: Gotcha. Want to hear how the talkative student did on yesterday's screener?

OUTCOME: From this point onward our conversation was very positive :) We were talking about other topics and never came back to the cheating topic.



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07 Jan 2021, 4:37 pm

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Here is the conversation I had this morning with my girlfriend. She knows I have Asperger and she is an elementary school teacher, so she is very understanding. Plus she is severely overweight and overweight women tend to be understanding too since they don't have other options. So I pretty much knew that I could have a little bit of fun without losing her since it wasn't the first time I pulled pranks, although this particular prank was rather unexpected on her end. Anyway, here is the that part of the chatlog, verbatim :)

ME: I just read that with all those dating apps around, 60% of married couples cheat and among people that just date the percentage is much higher (they didn't say what). So I guess you are probably cheating on me.

HER: So what's really going on? The real reason you sent an accusing message.

ME: I did it because it's funny. The funny part is that it's not a real accusation since 1. It doesn't mention anything you do 2. If anything it makes you look better since a) if you don't cheat it tells you you are better than most people b) If you do cheat it tells you you are not so bad

HER: That was not a nice first text to receive from you this morning

ME: I didn't mean to hurt you. I was just trying to be funny

HER: I assumed you sent it because you were frustrated about something else

ME: No. I just read an ad for peolewhiz and it mentioned those stats which surprised me. I guess I wanted to ask you what is your take on it in general (which has nothing to do with the two of us) but I decided to do it in a funny way instead

HER: Honestly, I'm surprised it is that high. I've really never understood how a person can cheat on their significant other. Especially when they're married and made a commitment to each other

ME: I mean from logical point of view it is easy to see why they would cheat. If someone waits for ideal partner then, no matter how attractive they are, they would probably wait their whole life (an ideal partner would be a star of some sort). Therefore, if an average person doesn't want to face a prospect of being single forever, they have to settle "to some degree" (sure, less attractive people settle to higher degree than more attractive people, but everyone settles "somewhat"). Now, after the person has settled, it would be good to trade less-than-perfect option they settled on with a better option. So they cheat. Of course if they could predict ahead of time the best possible option they, personally, can get, then they would find that option and not cheat. But since nobody knows ahead of time their level of luck, that's why they use the strategy where they keep cheating in order to move higher and higher on ranks so to speak

HER: I don't understand your logic. Picking a partner is not like picking a vehicle you trade in when a better model comes along. Are you saying you would cheat on your spouse if you found someone that was more attractive? Isn't it more about being compatible with that person?

ME: Well, being compatible doesn't single out one person. Each person is generally compatible with a group of people. So then one can still talk about moving up the ranks within a group of people they are compatible with.

HER: Just wow...

ME: I think the main four things that would stop one from cheating are the following: a) Not wanting to hurt the other person. In order for the above logic to be relevant, the goal of cheating would have to be eventual trading of partners as opposed to a simple fling. It would be logically impossible to accomplish that goal without the current partner knowing. So they will get hurt b) The amount of time they put into a relationship. Here is a good example. I don't really need math PhD since I already have physics PhD (even if I wanted to be a professor in math department I could use physics PhD for that too) But since I put so much time doing a coursework when I could have been doing my own research, I want to get that math PhD so that that time doesn't go for nothing c) In God's eyes cheating is a sin d) Emotional bond that formed as a result of relationship that goes beyond a and b. So I do see reasons why people wouldn't cheat. I am just saying I also see why they would. The "absence" of a, b, c and d being a factor would make it logically likely for someone to cheat.

HER: I would hope that D would outweigh a and b.

ME: Yes it does. I really like you a lot. Although it's not really outweigh since a and b points in the same direction d does. Its more like "d is a bigger reason than a and b"

HER: Haha... had to point it out, don't you *wink*

ME: Just to avoid the possibility of you misreading what I wrote

HER: Gotcha. Want to hear how the talkative student did on yesterday's screener?

OUTCOME: From this point onward our conversation was very positive :) We were talking about other topics and never came back to the cheating topic.

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You are so-o-o WRONG about overweight women not having options... :!: :!: :!: ...I have always been slim...at times even skinny...And i felt most self-confident when i weighted 122 lbs...with curves in all the right places...Just so that you know, my beloved (Aspie) husband is of Caribbean decent...And they absolutely LOVE their women FAT, the more, the better...Even in my Mexican culture also they prefer women with curves...So, please, please, please, do NOT underestimate your girlfriend's options...I am sure she has more than you know... :wink:



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07 Jan 2021, 6:49 pm

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You are so-o-o WRONG about overweight women not having options... :!: :!: :!: ...I have always been slim...at times even skinny...And i felt most self-confident when i weighted 122 lbs...with curves in all the right places...Just so that you know, my beloved (Aspie) husband is of Caribbean decent...And they absolutely LOVE their women FAT, the more, the better...Even in my Mexican culture also they prefer women with curves...So, please, please, please, do NOT underestimate your girlfriend's options...I am sure she has more than you know... :wink:


122 lbl is not fat at all :) As far as she is concerned, she is probably around 300 lbl, or so it looks like from her photo.



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07 Jan 2021, 7:30 pm

If I had a woman talk the way QFT talks to that woman, I'd drop her like a hot hand grenade.



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08 Jan 2021, 2:07 am

I don't cheat because I am loyal to a fault & I take my romantic relationships very seriously. I also don't have many options but that mostly played a factor for me getting in the romantic relationships I've been in. I had to try alternative approaches to finding partners but I took things very seriously 1ce we became a couple. The god thing is irrelevant since I'm a Secular Humanist & agnostic. Very thankfully my girlfriend is the same way I am except she believes in god but I do not think the god factor plays much part in why she won't cheat.


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08 Jan 2021, 2:57 am

cheating is IMHO undignified behavior.



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08 Jan 2021, 5:06 am

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Plus she is severely overweight and overweight women tend to be understanding too since they don't have other options. So I pretty much knew that I could have a little bit of fun without losing her


Surely if it was fun for her too you wouldn't have to worry about losing her? Perhaps you could try being nice to her if you love her?


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08 Jan 2021, 5:24 am

If you don't find her attractive, don't date her.

If you feel the need to speak about her as that unattractive, don't date her.

If you feel the need to upset her with this kind of thing, don't date her.

Being single is an option and is a better option than being with someone who treats you like crap and speaks about you to strangers in such a mean way.

It honestly sounds like you're training her gratitude into her like a dog.


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08 Jan 2021, 5:35 am

Dude! 8O



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08 Jan 2021, 5:37 am

Are you and your girlfriend happy together? Or are you a couple out of mutual convenience?

EDIT: Which party would be more devastated if the relationship ended?



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08 Jan 2021, 8:28 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
If I had a woman talk the way QFT talks to that woman, I'd drop her like a hot hand grenade.

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Thank you, thank you, thank you... :D
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08 Jan 2021, 8:31 am

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I don't cheat because I am loyal to a fault & I take my romantic relationships very seriously. I also don't have many options but that mostly played a factor for me getting in the romantic relationships I've been in. I had to try alternative approaches to finding partners but I took things very seriously 1ce we became a couple. The god thing is irrelevant since I'm a Secular Humanist & agnostic. Very thankfully my girlfriend is the same way I am except she believes in god but I do not think the god factor plays much part in why she won't cheat.

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FAITHFULNESS is a form of LOYALTY...And it is a matter of PERSONAL INTEGRITY...whether you believe in God or NOT :wink:



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08 Jan 2021, 8:40 am

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nick007 wrote:
I don't cheat because I am loyal to a fault & I take my romantic relationships very seriously. I also don't have many options but that mostly played a factor for me getting in the romantic relationships I've been in. I had to try alternative approaches to finding partners but I took things very seriously 1ce we became a couple. The god thing is irrelevant since I'm a Secular Humanist & agnostic. Very thankfully my girlfriend is the same way I am except she believes in god but I do not think the god factor plays much part in why she won't cheat.

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FAITHFULNESS is a form of LOYALTY...And it is a matter of PERSONAL INTEGRITY...whether you believe in God or NOT :wink:


Yeah...

If someone wants an open relationship, that's one thing.

We live in a society where mono-relationships are the 'norm'. So it should be discussed beforehand.

Trouble as far as I can see it is that - on a gendered level, men and women have different ideas about what is 'cheating'. And individual people do as well. So I think there exists such a thing as 'accidental cheats' - some guy doesn't know that forming an emotional bond with another girl would be seen as betrayal or some girl doesn't know that flirting & giggling with another guy would be seen as betrayal. Their partner sees it as betrayal and cheating but it wasn't intentional.

This is why it's important to discuss boundaries: from 'I'm ok with us having other romantic and sexual partners' to 'I have trust issues and you shouldn't flirt with other people, I've been cheated on in the past and am still working through that' and everything in between. Find a mutual set of boundaries/rules and stick to them.


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08 Jan 2021, 8:51 am

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Here is the conversation I had this morning with my girlfriend. She knows I have Asperger and she is an elementary school teacher, so she is very understanding. Plus she is severely overweight and overweight women tend to be understanding too since they don't have other options. So I pretty much knew that I could have a little bit of fun without losing her since it wasn't the first time I pulled pranks, although this particular prank was rather unexpected on her end. Anyway, here is the that part of the chatlog, verbatim :)

Last time I checked, exploiting other people's (perceived) weaknesses and emotionally manipulating them is not a defining characteristic of people on the autistic spectrum.

It is, however, a defining characteristic of another disorder.



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08 Jan 2021, 11:03 am

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Perhaps you could try being nice to her if you love her?


And I will. I have plenty of time to do it since she isn't breaking up with me.

Believe it or not, back in 2007--2009 I was also dating a woman that was severely overweight, and I was taking care of her when she was sick. In fact in her case I stopped liking her in 2008 but I dated her until she broke up herself in 2009 because I kept remembering when she was sick and didn't want to betray her.

I know the current woman isn't sick so it's different. But the point is that, ever since that other woman, I don't like the concept of hurting someone.

So then you might ask why did I hurt her with this message? Well the reason I did is because I knew she won't break up which means I can undo that hurt through the subsequent interaction with her. You see, on one hand I like to play games, on the other hand I don't like hurting people. So a compromise is to play the kind of games where I can "undo" the damage afterwards. And that was an example of it.



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08 Jan 2021, 11:25 am

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So a compromise is to play the kind of games where I can "undo" the damage afterwards.


Glad to hear you do care about her! It might be a good idea for both of your sakes to try not to cause the damage in the first place though. Maybe she is stronger than me and can live with it (or just doesn't care) but I know I wouldn't be happy with being hurt for someone else's amusement, even if it was fixed afterwards.


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