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Rinai
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24 Jul 2007, 1:44 pm

Forgive me in advance for being short sentenced, I am far to confused and stressed to think elaborately at the moment.

Im in Love. Girl, known her for 1 year 2 months and 17 days. She knows I have Aspergers (Didnt tell her, she deduced it herself, quite brilliant she is). She has a boyfriend she loves.. She talks about him all the time.. I want to tell her how I feel about her but I have 3 fears.
In order of Importance to me.
1. Cause her emotional stress
2. Her less than intelligent boyfriend finds out and get angry at her and not me. ( I would much rathered getting beat down by him than he cause her any type of pain)
3. Lose an important friendship.

These emotions are ripping at me and telling me to tell her.. but I cant tell her.I cant hold this inside much longer without having a breakdown.. Somene help me please...

EDIT: Fixed spelling errors.. mainly in my misspelling of my own diagnosis.



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24 Jul 2007, 1:48 pm

Write her poems,
expending your energy
on them. But don't deliver
them.



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24 Jul 2007, 1:59 pm

calandale wrote:
Write her poems,
expending your energy
on them. But don't deliver
them.


OK. So I write poems, dont deliver them. And continue pretending you care about her no more than as a good friend. I think this is going to look alot easier in writing than it will to actually do it...



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24 Jul 2007, 2:22 pm

Well, there is NO way to prevent
from causing her stress, otherwise.

The other issues are far harder to
judge. If your priorities included
that you wanted her, somewhere
amongst them, maybe I'd offer
differently, but with your great
selflessness, 'tis not worth the
risk. Nor apparently, is the cost
to yourself important to you.

Now, if you were dishonest in
your factors, well, the world is
a different place.



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24 Jul 2007, 2:49 pm

Lying is for those who are to weak to tell the truth. YOu insinuating that I was lying offended me greatly. As much as I would love to be with her, I prefer her being happy with someone she loves. My happiness comes second to that. If you understood what I said when I said LOVE. You would know I meant the real thing, the thing that turns that persons happiness a notch above your own. I have no option but to be selfless in the matter if I want her to remain happy.



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24 Jul 2007, 2:55 pm

You wont be lying. You'd be just keeping quiet. I don't think you should say anything as she already has a boyfriend and unless she tells you she wants to break up with him AND does so, you keep saying nothing.


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24 Jul 2007, 3:02 pm

Now see. Why cant I think of stuff like that. I sit here and listen to this bird guy ramble on insinuating that I am lying about my priorities, and you come and make perfect sense out of this. Thank you.

Calandale.. Your advice.. well.. Your accusations.. are quite rude.



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24 Jul 2007, 3:06 pm

Rinai wrote:
Lying is for those who are to weak to tell the truth.


Or those with a reason. But 'twas indeed the former
I presumed, as I could not imagine that your own
feelings entered not at all into your considerations.

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YOu insinuating that I was lying offended me greatly.

Why? You don't even know me. How can you
be offended by some joker on the web?

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My happiness comes second to that.


Wasn't even mentioned. I presumed it was of NO
importance at all. In the sense that you'd rather
maintain your friendship (your happiness there),
but you didn't even rank that you'd desire her.
Ah, and you didn't rank the value that you loving
her might have on HER happiness, so I presumed
that too was inconsequential.

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If you understood what I said when I said LOVE. You would know I meant the real thing, the thing that turns that persons happiness a notch above your own. I have no option but to be selfless in the matter if I want her to remain happy.


This is the key. You have NO idea what
effect your love might have. I'd still go
with my original advice, but that may
be doing her a disfavor. Not by your
criteria, which don't take her overall
happiness into account, but perhaps
by hers. But, if she is terribly happy
with whom she's with, I'd certainly
not do more than drop hints, and
let her see them, if she wishes;
something you are probably doing
unintentionally anyhow.



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24 Jul 2007, 3:17 pm

I agree with the post above. I was like that and it made things worse.



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24 Jul 2007, 3:54 pm

calandale wrote:
Rinai wrote:
Lying is for those who are to weak to tell the truth.


Or those with a reason. But 'twas indeed the former
I presumed, as I could not imagine that your own
feelings entered not at all into your considerations.

Quote:
YOu insinuating that I was lying offended me greatly.

Why? You don't even know me. How can you
be offended by some joker on the web?

Quote:
My happiness comes second to that.


Wasn't even mentioned. I presumed it was of NO
importance at all. In the sense that you'd rather
maintain your friendship (your happiness there),
but you didn't even rank that you'd desire her.
Ah, and you didn't rank the value that you loving
her might have on HER happiness, so I presumed
that too was inconsequential.

Quote:
If you understood what I said when I said LOVE. You would know I meant the real thing, the thing that turns that persons happiness a notch above your own. I have no option but to be selfless in the matter if I want her to remain happy.


This is the key. You have NO idea what
effect your love might have. I'd still go
with my original advice, but that may
be doing her a disfavor. Not by your
criteria, which don't take her overall
happiness into account, but perhaps
by hers. But, if she is terribly happy
with whom she's with, I'd certainly
not do more than drop hints, and
let her see them, if she wishes;
something you are probably doing
unintentionally anyhow.


Ignoring the two posts that obviously do not take into account she is one of my close friends and that is not the date I fell in love with her, but the date I met her. Calandale. I cannot run the scenarios in my head to see what different courses of action may have different effects. I have to large of a chance for error and could screw up entirely.

I request that a mod close and delete this topic.



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24 Jul 2007, 4:31 pm

Whoa.

First, tell us what it is you love about her.

Second, how do you know that if you tell her you love her and she tells her bf that he won’t clobber you? (This is why an NT would never entertain the idea)

Third, wait it out, be a great friend, and wait it out. This is why they make so many movies about chicks falling for the guy friend. It rarely happens, but using the L word on a taken woman is a no-no.

Fourth, if she liked you as more than a friend, she would never mention her bf around you. This is how an NT gives a hint (never direct). Also, anyone who talks about their bf all the time has relationship problems. So, it may fall apart. Or you may only be paying attention when she talks about the bf and think it is happening more than it is.

Fifth, if you really need to express yourself, start off with a nice compliment such as “I wish I could find a girl like you”. Whatever her response, ask her “Have you ever thought of the two of us?”. Please be prepared for a let down. Don’t take it personally. It’s not you, it’s her and her interests and likes and what she expects from the world. Using the L word surely will make her uncomfortable enough to dissolve the friendship.

If, she says she has thought of the two of you as a couple, just say “cool” and end that conversation. Give yourself time to mull over what happened and what your next step could be.

Sixth, what are you going to do for the next 2 years, whatever months and days with her just as a friend? Is it possible that you can love her and still “date” others until she possibly comes around?



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24 Jul 2007, 4:56 pm

If you do something, you will damage the friendship, and she won't be with you. Just leave s**t alone until the relationship with the boyfriend naturally ends(most do), then try to destroy your friendship by getting greedy. Doing it the other way around is just sloppy.


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24 Jul 2007, 5:40 pm

Rinai wrote:

I request that a mod close and delete this topic.



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24 Jul 2007, 7:49 pm

Too bad I got demodded. :P



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24 Jul 2007, 8:02 pm

Starbuline wrote:
Too bad I got demodded. :P


I can see why. Rude as you are to the members I wouldnt trust you with any power.

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Whoa.

First, tell us what it is you love about her.

Second, how do you know that if you tell her you love her and she tells her bf that he won’t clobber you? (This is why an NT would never entertain the idea)

Third, wait it out, be a great friend, and wait it out. This is why they make so many movies about chicks falling for the guy friend. It rarely happens, but using the L word on a taken woman is a no-no.

Fourth, if she liked you as more than a friend, she would never mention her bf around you. This is how an NT gives a hint (never direct). Also, anyone who talks about their bf all the time has relationship problems. So, it may fall apart. Or you may only be paying attention when she talks about the bf and think it is happening more than it is.

Fifth, if you really need to express yourself, start off with a nice compliment such as “I wish I could find a girl like you”. Whatever her response, ask her “Have you ever thought of the two of us?”. Please be prepared for a let down. Don’t take it personally. It’s not you, it’s her and her interests and likes and what she expects from the world. Using the L word surely will make her uncomfortable enough to dissolve the friendship.

If, she says she has thought of the two of you as a couple, just say “cool” and end that conversation. Give yourself time to mull over what happened and what your next step could be.

Sixth, what are you going to do for the next 2 years, whatever months and days with her just as a friend? Is it possible that you can love her and still “date” others until she possibly comes around?


1. I love this girl because of her excellent personality and accepting nature. She is insanely brilliant and gives me a "run for my money" In all the Honours and AP classes we take together. She unlike most people around me can maintain an intelligent conversation. She doesnt judge people because of their differences (She is very religous, I am an Atheist, she doesnt try to force religion on me like most).

2. I kind of look formidable. Though I have never physically injured anyone, being 6,3 260lbs. Most people dont bother me. Especially short skinny guys like her boyfriend.

3. From what you are saying I might aswell quit entertaining this thought and just re-focus my life on my academics and my programming..

4. Oooh... Yeh, I just seriously need to open DevC++ and forget about love and such...

5. If I have more of a chance of being let down then what is the point.. I might as well just quit entertaining the thought of dating.. Most girls just look at me funny and walk on... She was one of the few who bothered talking to me.. Any other girls who talk to me are all in the 18-21 year old range which In this state would get them arrested..

6. Where was the next 2 years ever mentioned? >_>



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24 Jul 2007, 8:11 pm

Rinai wrote:
Starbuline wrote:
Too bad I got demodded. :P


I can see why. Rude as you are to the members I wouldnt trust you with any power.

Yes, because a leader can't be rude, despite their competence. We can have all the incompetant leaders that we want, but if they're blunt, then they need to be shown the door.


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