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30 Aug 2022, 7:10 am

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Being married does not guarantee that there will be sex. Not at all.

What about sex with oneself? Doesn’t that count? In many cases, it’s decidedly more enjoyable.

Finally, this seems like a silly thing for God to worry about. There’s far more important things that he should be addressing. (Maybe I should write him a list organized by order of importance. Getting people laid would be towards the bottom of that list.)

Since this is more about sex than love, maybe the Adult Forum would’ve been a better place for this.


I think sex with oneself doesn't count as sex.

I think it depends on the overall result as to how much it should be worried about. The lack of sexual activity and birth rates are causing harmful demographic spikes in many nations now with couples often having less than two kids each. If people can't replace themelves it causes issues with the younger generation being overburdened with the elderly and neither benefiting.

The causes of it would be interesting to find out and probably too complex to get to grips with on a WP thread. I remember seeing an interesting YouTube video on it a while ago.



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30 Aug 2022, 8:21 am

My theory:
It's because of the rise of online dating: only the top guys are having sex with many women, and the average guys are not getting any.

Is there a gender breakdown of these stats?



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30 Aug 2022, 8:41 am

I'm no "top guy"----never was a "top guy" (except, of course, in the Missionary Position).

I belie the above theory. And so do many "average" people



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30 Aug 2022, 11:45 am

Nothing wrong with that. Sex should be saved for marriage, anyways.


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30 Aug 2022, 12:24 pm

CockneyRebel wrote:
Nothing wrong with that. Sex should be saved for marriage, anyways.
It is not premarital sex if you never get married, and it is not adultery if neither of you is married.
Nades wrote:
I think it depends on the overall result as to how much it should be worried about. The lack of sexual activity and birth rates are causing harmful demographic spikes in many nations now with couples often having less than two kids each. If people can't replace themselves it causes issues with the younger generation being overburdened with the elderly and neither benefiting.

The causes of it would be interesting to find out and probably too complex to get to grips with on a WP thread. I remember seeing an interesting YouTube video on it a while ago.
Numerous studies have also been done on the "ageification" of Japan, describing the scenario you related -- as the median age of Japan's population increases, there are progressively fewer workers to provide support for the elderly.


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30 Aug 2022, 12:48 pm

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The causes of it would be interesting to find out and probably too complex to get to grips with on a WP thread. I remember seeing an interesting YouTube video on it a while ago.
Numerous studies have also been done on the "ageification" of Japan, describing the scenario you related -- as the median age of Japan's population increases, there are progressively fewer workers to provide support for the elderly.


I think China has it even worse. They have serious problems with the one child policy becoming engrained and too few women in their population and as a result they've gotten picky with their men. I forgotten what it was called but it's traditional in China to provide a gift to the new wife shortly before marriage. In the past this was a token gift like a toaster or TV but now it's entire life savings and more. Men in rural areas in China just can't afford to "pay" for a wife now and are destine to be childless and alone.

Another problem that I think relates to lack of sex is the modern age. Isolation has become increasingly easy with anything a person needs to survive at the touch of a mouse. "Hikikomori" has become a problem in developed nations, not just Japan but one needs to question if there are many times more "Hikikomori lite" around who, while able to socially interact, choose to minimise it leading to long term celibacy.

Also I think being overly picky might be a problem now, albeit limited.



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30 Aug 2022, 1:27 pm

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Another problem that I think relates to lack of sex is the modern age. Isolation has become increasingly easy with anything a person needs to survive at the touch of a mouse. "Hikikomori" has become a problem in developed nations, not just Japan but one needs to question if there are many times more "Hikikomori lite" around who, while able to socially interact, choose to minimise it leading to long term celibacy.

Also I think being overly picky might be a problem now, albeit limited.
With more women than men earning college degrees, it seems possible that many woman may be avoiding marriage and pregnancy in favor of her career.  Why tie herself down to a family for 20-30 years when she can spend the same amount of time enjoying the fruits of her labors, especially when it means having full autonomy over her reproductive choices?

I mean, what is a man good for when a woman already lives in her own home, drives her own car, and earns her own money without having to enslave herself to an abusive man and his ungrateful brats?

It may not be a matter of being 'picky'; it may be more of a matter of autonomy.


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30 Aug 2022, 1:46 pm

Fnord wrote:
Nades wrote:
Another problem that I think relates to lack of sex is the modern age. Isolation has become increasingly easy with anything a person needs to survive at the touch of a mouse. "Hikikomori" has become a problem in developed nations, not just Japan but one needs to question if there are many times more "Hikikomori lite" around who, while able to socially interact, choose to minimise it leading to long term celibacy.

Also I think being overly picky might be a problem now, albeit limited.
With more women than men earning college degrees, it seems possible that many woman may be avoiding marriage and pregnancy in favor of her career.  Why tie herself down to a family for 20-30 years when she can spend the same amount of time enjoying the fruits of her labors, especially when it means having full autonomy over her reproductive choices?

I mean, what is a man good for when a woman already lives in her own home, drives her own car, and earns her own money without having to enslave herself to an abusive man and his ungrateful brats?

It may not be a matter of being 'picky'; it may be more of a matter of autonomy.


The cost of kids is possibly a problem now too. As for careers, this is becoming more common but the disadvantages of it needs to be weighed up beforehand. I've personally seen a few picky women who aren't even in employment but they're not common to bump into.

*before anyone starts on me I'm speaking from a male perspective about women as I have no idea what dating men is like*



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30 Aug 2022, 2:19 pm

Recent estimates place the total cost of raising a child from birth to age 18 to be around $300,000 (US).  That is just under $17,000 (US) per year.  A minimum-wage job pays just over $31,000 (US) per year.

This should be enough to incentivize a 'sexocalypse' in America, at least.


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31 Aug 2022, 12:25 am

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The Sexual Revolution and Sexual Liberation was during the 60s-70s, primarily.


But the sexual liberation still lives on today, with hook up culture and casual sex, doesn't it?



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31 Aug 2022, 6:09 am

There was more of both back then.

People are much more cautious now….and for good reasons.



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31 Aug 2022, 6:54 am

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beautiful people want other beautiful people. smart people want other smart people. accomplished folks want other accomplished folks. hardly anybody wants a plain joe or jane who lacks shiny things in their being.


Good thing I'm just an everyday outlier with no shiny things in my being, seeking same.


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31 Aug 2022, 4:18 pm

IsabellaLinton wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
beautiful people want other beautiful people. smart people want other smart people. accomplished folks want other accomplished folks. hardly anybody wants a plain joe or jane who lacks shiny things in their being.


Good thing I'm just an everyday outlier with no shiny things in my being, seeking same.

but you're extremely intelligent. 8)



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31 Aug 2022, 4:24 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
There was more of both back then.

People are much more cautious now….and for good reasons.



Of sex?

And if so, why more cautious?



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31 Aug 2022, 4:26 pm

Fnord wrote:
Recent estimates place the total cost of raising a child from birth to age 18 to be around $300,000 (US).  That is just under $17,000 (US) per year.  A minimum-wage job pays just over $31,000 (US) per year.

This should be enough to incentivize a 'sexocalypse' in America, at least.


It's a very similar cost in the UK. I've had nobody complain directly to me about the costs though.



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31 Aug 2022, 4:58 pm

There's a few things contributing to the "sexocalypse" or the "sex recession" whatever you want to call it.

1. The rise of online dating as a mainstream option makes it harder for average and below average looking straight men to find someone due to severe gender imbalances. As an example, the average woman receives a 50% match rate while the average man only receives a 2% match rate. Not exact numbers but you get my point. Online dating for very straight men is very competitive!

2. The rise of online pornography in the past 15-20 years makes it easier for people to get their sexual satisfaction from themselves rather than from other people. This means that some people may be less motivated to pursue partners.


There are other reasons but those are the two I can think of off the top of my head.