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17 Feb 2023, 9:55 am

IsabellaLinton wrote:
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It’s sad that we’re trying to help WP men feel less insecure about their bodies whether they have a tummy or they’re short, or they have beards, or they aren’t a 10, or they don’t have a great job or a great car, or high cheekbones or hunter eyes or a foot-long dick.

I guess they don’t wanna hear it. They’d rather hate themselves and blame women for it.

It’s sad that I was going to tell Boo he was handsome in that pic with his GF, but he’d likely think I was attacking him.

The whole thing is BS. I give up.

Fend for yourselves boys, and good luck with that.

To be fair, these men are looking for anything they can do to improve their chances for romance. These same men have been told more than once to "work on themselves" rather than complain about a lack of available women. Of course they want to know about anything they can do that might make them more attractive from a visual perspective, one example of which is the change to one's body that results from working out (something I have personally experienced).

I happen to feel that all men on WP deserve compassion except for ones that may be deliberately antagonizing other members male or female. There's a reason many feel as they do, wrong as they may be able some issues. It's due to messages they've gotten either from the media or other people in their lives.


Great.

Have you seen any of those men say anything remotely compassionate or supportive of WP women, when they talk about struggles with body image, dating, or relationships (including those with abuse)?

It's fine and dandy that we can stand on our heads to help their poor little egos, but they don't give a flying f*** about ours.


So much this!


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17 Feb 2023, 10:01 am

IsabellaLinton wrote:
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It’s sad that we’re trying to help WP men feel less insecure about their bodies whether they have a tummy or they’re short, or they have beards, or they aren’t a 10, or they don’t have a great job or a great car, or high cheekbones or hunter eyes or a foot-long dick.

I guess they don’t wanna hear it. They’d rather hate themselves and blame women for it.

It’s sad that I was going to tell Boo he was handsome in that pic with his GF, but he’d likely think I was attacking him.

The whole thing is BS. I give up.

Fend for yourselves boys, and good luck with that.

To be fair, these men are looking for anything they can do to improve their chances for romance. These same men have been told more than once to "work on themselves" rather than complain about a lack of available women. Of course they want to know about anything they can do that might make them more attractive from a visual perspective, one example of which is the change to one's body that results from working out (something I have personally experienced).

I happen to feel that all men on WP deserve compassion except for ones that may be deliberately antagonizing other members male or female. There's a reason many feel as they do, wrong as they may be able some issues. It's due to messages they've gotten either from the media or other people in their lives.


Great.

Have you seen any of those men say anything remotely compassionate or supportive of WP women, when they talk about struggles with body image, dating, or relationships (including those with abuse)?

It's fine and dandy that we can stand on our heads to help their poor little egos, but they don't give a flying f*** about ours.

Yep, this.

Maybe it'll sink in seeing it quoted a few times.


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17 Feb 2023, 10:10 am

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ps. Btw I always forget and misspell the exact long usernames here when not quoting, not meant anything.

Yeah, I didn't think you meant anything by it. It was funny.


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17 Feb 2023, 10:15 am

At least....it's not "where WAS I". :P



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17 Feb 2023, 10:19 am

My ideal screenname would be: Where I Will Be.

Actually....I do like cole slaw. Maybe I'll buy one of those dolls :P



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17 Feb 2023, 10:24 am

There used to be a user here called Who_Am_I.


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17 Feb 2023, 10:38 am

IsabellaLinton wrote:
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Actually, I was defending you from the generalization Issy said. She is the one who spoke in your name (and of all wp women), not me.


Where did I speak on behalf of all WP women?

I recall saying "I can't think of any .... " but didn't say there weren't any.


Here, it is pretty obvious english:

IsabellaLinton wrote:
Oh boy. Not this again.
The women have spoken. We like tummies.


Also the "I can't think of any..." is also a sweeping generalization.



That was a joke.
For Pepe.
About the bell curve thing.

You like jokes, remember?
You just told FXE to have a sense of humour.



Yes, you are right.

FXE is in dire need of sense of humor.



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17 Feb 2023, 10:43 am

IsabellaLinton wrote:
It’s sad that we’re trying to help WP men feel less insecure about their bodies whether they have a tummy or they’re short, or they have beards, or they aren’t a 10, or they don’t have a great job or a great car, or high cheekbones or hunter eyes or a foot-long dick.

I guess they don’t wanna hear it. They’d rather hate themselves and blame women for it.

It’s sad that I was going to tell Boo he was handsome in that pic with his GF, but he’d likely think I was attacking him.

The whole thing is BS. I give up.

Fend for yourselves boys, and good luck with that.



Ah but no, I believe you, thank you, I am aware of my handsomeness. 8) Usually the character types who aren’t into too-macho type may find me handsome.



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17 Feb 2023, 11:15 am

Women tend to talk about their struggles in the women's forum where it's taboo for men to post cos we don't want to be accused of going where we're not welcome or mansplaining.

When a woman comes onto the haven they get loads of sympathy... except if it's the same person posting about the same thing many times.

This is one of the first threads I looked at
viewtopic.php?t=411761

Tons of advice&help given for a situation which was not even an emergency



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17 Feb 2023, 11:32 am

I don't feel the thread you referenced is that bad at all.

She was just feeling sort of down.



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17 Feb 2023, 11:37 am

That’s funny.

Women don’t use the women’s forum for love and dating. They use Love and Dating, or at least they try to.

The subforum was taken over by men who portray us as gold-digging, fat, lazy liars who choose super-model NT men over them, yet miraculously we have no problems because we can snap our fingers and be used for sex any day we want because we’re walking vaginas. That should make us happy.

If we happen to be good looking we can make porn accounts and exploit ourselves online for money, because that’s what we’re good for and we love it.

If we say otherwise we’re wrong because of an Incel YouTube video or bar graph that confirms we’re shallow b*****s.

Where are the threads by men about women’s mental health? The threads where men tell us to love our bodies? The ones with any amount of reciprocal empathy, where men say thank you to the women who support them through all this crap, and endeavour to tell them it’s going to be OK even if they’ve been abused?

All I have so far is someone offering to buy an inflatable Isabella they can throw darts at, and bell curve charts to mansplain what TP and I had already said because we didn’t say it right. Now there’s another mansplained explanation of how I’m feeling today, by a member who is married and shouldn’t even be in Love and Dating since he hasn’t dated in 30 years.

I guess I should be thankful someone’s willing to pay me anything, since I’m such a helpless, dependent gold-digger.

Thanks so much guys.


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17 Feb 2023, 11:39 am

klanka wrote:
Women tend to talk about their struggles in the women's forum where it's taboo for men to post cos we don't want to be accused of going where we're not welcome or mansplaining.

When a woman comes onto the haven they get loads of sympathy... except if it's the same person posting about the same thing many times.

This is one of the first threads I looked at
viewtopic.php?t=411761

Tons of advice&help given for a situation which was not even an emergency


Should sympathy or empathy be limited to the women’s discussion forum or the haven?


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17 Feb 2023, 11:44 am

IsabellaLinton wrote:
That’s funny.

Women don’t use the women’s forum for love and dating. They use Love and Dating, or at least they try to.

The subforum was taken over by men who portray us as gold-digging, fat, lazy liars who choose super-model NT men over them, yet miraculously we have no problems because we can snap our fingers and be used for sex any day we want because we’re walking vaginas. That should make us happy.

If we happen to be good looking we can make porn accounts and exploit ourselves online for money, because that’s what we’re good for and we love it.

If we say otherwise we’re wrong because of an Incel YouTube video or bar graph that confirms we’re shallow b*****s.

Where are the threads by men about women’s mental health? The threads where men tell us to love our bodies? The ones with any amount of reciprocal empathy, where men say thank you to the women who support them through all this crap, and endeavour to tell them it’s going to be OK even if they’ve been abused?

All I have so far is someone offering to buy an inflatable Isabella they can throw darts at, and bell curve charts to mansplain what TP and I had already said because we didn’t say it right. Now there’s another mansplained explanation of how I’m feeling today, by a member who is married and shouldn’t even be in Love and Dating since he hasn’t dated in 30 years.

I guess I should be thankful someone’s willing to pay me anything, since I’m such a helpless, dependent gold-digger.

Thanks so much guys.

:cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:


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17 Feb 2023, 12:36 pm

Autistic men face a lot of rejection in dating then they come here.

So they discuss it here a lot, and yes vitriol is going to spill out, because of being rejected, not being able to have a family,or companionship, or sex, as a result of that.

If your description is of me, I'm seperated and going through with a divorce.

I think when it comes to body positivity, we don't really criticise women's bodies much. One or two posters just make an offhand comment about not liking people who are overweight.

I can see that you do have a history of trying to support men though. It's appreciated but when an autistic man faces that constant rejection it's going to cause bitterness that can't be solved on a forum. Although I think your efforts are good and appreciated anyway.

I think it would be a good idea to have a thread about autistic women's mental health.
I think the autistic men's mental health is a much simpler topic, although their problems can't be solved here.
You don't really see threads by autistic women complaining about not being able to get into a relationship,they are usually different and more complicated things, like meltdowns in public or trauma.



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17 Feb 2023, 12:41 pm

You have to acknowledge there are guys here who don’t believe in what you stated.

I don’t believe in the “looks” stuff or any of that stuff which paint women in a bad light. There are posters here, both men and women, who do not believe in the extremes presented, and who believe thinking in stereotypes is rubbish.

I believe there are abusive people with abusive ideologies within all genders. And I feel terrible that women are exploited and taken advantage of by men. This does happen, probably more frequently than vice versa. I’ve seen it and have known people who were exploited.



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17 Feb 2023, 12:41 pm

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You don't really see threads by autistic women complaining about not being able to get into a relationship,they are usually different and more complicated things, like meltdowns in public or trauma.


We would probably see more if L&D felt more welcoming to female posters. As it stands, they may feel like their opinion or problem wouldn’t be taken seriously or that it would be overshadowed by certain posters.

Some seem to think that if there are fewer female posters posting their problems they must have fewer problems. It’s not that simple.

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