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21 Jan 2008, 2:25 am

This happens every time I try to talk to any person, male or female (particularly female). This just happened not ten minutes ago online. I'm in a conversation with this fairly nice girl (at first I think she's nice), but as she asks what luck I've had with dating, I simply explain to her the situation: I run into people who falsely advertise their features, their personality, and their desires.

Somehow, she gets the opinion I'm a self-centered egomaniac only concerned with a girl's looks, because I use vocabulary beyond a 4th grader's understanding (which she doesn't understand, mind you, and she's applying to graduate school). Literally she thinks I'm after someone with no substance and only physical beauty, because I tell her the girls I've previously dated lied about their physical appearance (blind dates, etc).

So what am I supposed to do? Am I supposed to talk down to their level, homey? Hang my pants down to my knees, talking about how I put a cap in some copper, and want to feel her up? Will that turn them on? Or do I have to play the "Deliverance" game, and be an unsophisticated "little man" of the grassroots movement. Let's talk about corn, riding ATV's, huntin', and chewin' tobacce!

It seems the only time girls in my age range talk to guys with an intellect is when they have money to flash around. Otherwise, they just want someone with a pair between their legs who they think they can control like a dog on a leash. Does intelligence really frighten them, or are they just too incompetent to keep up?


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21 Jan 2008, 2:32 am

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This happens every time I try to talk to any person, male or female (particularly female). This just happened not ten minutes ago online. I'm in a conversation with this fairly nice girl (at first I think she's nice), but as she asks what luck I've had with dating, I simply explain to her the situation: I run into people who falsely advertise their features, their personality, and their desires.

Somehow, she gets the opinion I'm a self-centered egomaniac only concerned with a girl's looks, because I use vocabulary beyond a 4th grader's understanding (which she doesn't understand, mind you, and she's applying to graduate school). Literally she thinks I'm after someone with no substance and only physical beauty, because I tell her the girls I've previously dated lied about their physical appearance (blind dates, etc).

So what am I supposed to do? Am I supposed to talk down to their level, homey? Hang my pants down to my knees, talking about how I put a cap in some copper, and want to feel her up? Will that turn them on? Or do I have to play the "Deliverance" game, and be an unsophisticated "little man" of the grassroots movement. Let's talk about corn, riding ATV's, huntin', and chewin' tobacce!

It seems the only time girls in my age range talk to guys with an intellect is when they have money to flash around. Otherwise, they just want someone with a pair between their legs who they think they can control like a dog on a leash. Does intelligence really frighten them, or are they just too incompetent to keep up?



You..............apparently are quite versitile for a guy who can't seem to get women.

Mate. love your quote.........however, dress like a solider? if this were some alternate unvierse were that was classy, then yes. no. dress like yourself, it impresses the ladies.

it doesn't matter if you're unsophisticated or sophisicated. it doesn't matter if you're a gamer or not, it doesn't matter if your clothes are baggy or nice. What counts is the fact that who you are is who you are.


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21 Jan 2008, 2:37 am

Hmm, yes. It could be more a matter of you chasing them because of superficial looks. Women HATE that. Do yourself a favour, and go after girls who can actually understand you, and looks should only matter 25%.

By the way, you spelt vain wrong.


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21 Jan 2008, 4:37 am

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, because I tell her the girls I've previously dated lied about their physical appearance (blind dates, etc).


There. There's your problem. It does give that implication that you care only for their looks. Lie or just omit that information next time.
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21 Jan 2008, 5:07 am

If there's one thing in the world I can't approve of it's acting dumber than you really are. I'm not saying that speaking like a fourth grader necessarily makes you stupid but if have the intelligence to realize that you do, then you are. Personally, it just seems like a bad case of misunderstandings.

Side note, love the motto. I can certainly relate to it. Though dress like soldier shouldn't be taken literally. It's more about dressing sharp and clean so to speak. Personally I always dress in a suit whenever I leave the house. Not only does it make me look sharp, and it makes me feel formal which I love, but I find it to be extremely comfortable as well.


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21 Jan 2008, 6:13 am

I don't think your intellect is turning them off, I think your attitude is turning them off.

I completely believe that women you've talked to have lied about their looks and other qualities. Most people seem to exaggerate, claim to weigh 20 lbs less than they do, whatever. Just the same, you can't say that to each and every girl you talk to. She will automatically assume that you think she is going to lie to you about those things to, and that's downright offensive to most people. It's like you're dismissing her as a fraud before you even get to know her. If I was talking to a guy and he said this to me, I'd sign off never to return.

I'm sure you're a perfectly nice person, but in the posts I have seen you make, you do come across as a bit arrogant. You can't assume that every girl you talk to will be stupid, boring, ugly/fat, and a liar, and you definitely can't tell them that you assume that.

Just make it a policy that they send you pictures early on, speak to them on the phone, whatever. If you aren't interested, move on. You don't owe anyone you talk to more than a conversation, and neither do the girls you're talking to.



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21 Jan 2008, 11:43 am

Personally, if you made a comment like that...

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I run into people who falsely advertise their features, their personality, and their desires.


I would be worrying about what you might think of me. I don't think I'd think that you only cared about looks, but I'd be worried about you being very critical overall. For instance, if I'd put on my profile that I liked reading I'd be worried about you judging my tastes, (highbrow enough??), if I'd put that I was 'slim' I'd be worrying that you wouldn't think size ten was slim enough.

When people feel like they're being judged, (and you have judged her very harshly, in your last two paragraphs) they tend to lash out, which I think is what she's done. I'm sure she understands your vocabulary just fine.

I'm sure you're not really arrogant enough that you think the whole world is interlectually beneath you, but that is how you've presented yourself here. It is kind of offputting.



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21 Jan 2008, 2:23 pm

sarahstilettos wrote:
Personally, if you made a comment like that...

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I run into people who falsely advertise their features, their personality, and their desires.


I would be worrying about what you might think of me.


Me too.

And if someone said that to me, I'd be worried that I would not measure up to their expectations once we got to know each other better. After all, everyone is a hypocrite in more ways than one. Everyone falsely advertises to some extent. Because we cannot be fully aware of how other people perceive us, our perceptions of ourselves are inevitably inconsistent with the ways in which we are perceived.

I fear people who expect perfection from others because these expectations will never be met and will often result in frustration and anger. I think the above statement could lead a girl to believe that you are this kind of perfectionist, even though it is likely that you are not.



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21 Jan 2008, 2:59 pm

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I don't think your intellect is turning them off, I think your attitude is turning them off.

I completely believe that women you've talked to have lied about their looks and other qualities. Most people seem to exaggerate, claim to weigh 20 lbs less than they do, whatever. Just the same, you can't say that to each and every girl you talk to. She will automatically assume that you think she is going to lie to you about those things to, and that's downright offensive to most people. It's like you're dismissing her as a fraud before you even get to know her. If I was talking to a guy and he said this to me, I'd sign off never to return.

I'm sure you're a perfectly nice person, but in the posts I have seen you make, you do come across as a bit arrogant. You can't assume that every girl you talk to will be stupid, boring, ugly/fat, and a liar, and you definitely can't tell them that you assume that.

Just make it a policy that they send you pictures early on, speak to them on the phone, whatever. If you aren't interested, move on. You don't owe anyone you talk to more than a conversation, and neither do the girls you're talking to.


Well said.
I think the most important thing is that you have unrealistic expectations of physical appearance. You probably sound shallow to those girls, being more concerned with how they look. "I want a girl with such and such an appearance and I'll get frustrated and disappointed if you lie about your appearance!"
Fair enough, wanting a girl with such and such a personality is perfectly reasonable. Just don't act like some guy who's only out for sex. If you're disappointed, don't mention it, for crying out loud! That's a surefire way to be a total jerk to those girls.
Yes, girls lie for the purpose of standing out. Or perhaps it's some sort of trap they use for filtering out different kinds of guys.
Just don't believe everything that's typed down. Damn, what the hell were you expecting? Your "dream" girl?


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21 Jan 2008, 9:01 pm

I've had somewhat similar situations.
I've kind of made sense of it in a more disgregated manner.
I think many times so-called arrogance is a projection of envy or inadequacy feelings on the other person's part.
I've had "online girls" lash out at me just for saying I didn't go out much or saying that I wasn't too interested in a certain club. I've had people say things like "and who do you think you are?!" at me just for doing or explaining something I knew about - as though they couldn't accept that as a fact and had to assume instead that perceived reality was actually some willful bragging fabrication on my part.
I've also had people make of me an extreme nerd or somebody obsessed with looks (I'm obsessive; which is a different story) depending on their own shortcomings.

I try to be as tactful as possible but sometimes it doesn't help.
I think it has to do more with individual cases.
Generally, I've found a lot like that in random chat rooms and it has kept me from communicating actively most of the time; resorting instead to trying all sorts of weird ways to filter people before hand or pondering on the profiles in dating sites for hours without saying anything to anyone. I'm not saying this is good; it's just what happened gradually as I got fed up.



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21 Jan 2008, 9:05 pm

It's too bad there's no way to say to a woman: "Just tell the truth about how you look. I won't think any more or less of you either way, but I DO want the truth" without it coming off as awkward.



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22 Jan 2008, 7:26 am

I had this friend who was very intelligent and I liked that about him. I didn't mind that he was more intelligent than me. What I did mind was him talking to me as if I was dumb. He wouldn't talk down to me necessarily, but would say things to make me feel dumb. If I don't understand something that may be obvious to everyone else, I prefer people to just explain it to me so I can learn and then move on; rather than basically saying 'how can you not know that, you dummy?'

I like intelligent guys, but sometimes I feel a little intimidated because I fear I'm not intelligent enough for them. I don't think I'm dumb though. I'd love a guy who I could learn from. A guy I could go ask about anything and he'd most likely know the answer and I'd be like 'how do you know that? :o amazing.'



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23 Jan 2008, 12:23 am

GoatMan wrote:
This happens every time I try to talk to any person, male or female (particularly female). This just happened not ten minutes ago online. I'm in a conversation with this fairly nice girl (at first I think she's nice), but as she asks what luck I've had with dating, I simply explain to her the situation: I run into people who falsely advertise their features, their personality, and their desires.

Somehow, she gets the opinion I'm a self-centered egomaniac only concerned with a girl's looks, because I use vocabulary beyond a 4th grader's understanding (which she doesn't understand, mind you, and she's applying to graduate school). Literally she thinks I'm after someone with no substance and only physical beauty, because I tell her the girls I've previously dated lied about their physical appearance (blind dates, etc).

So what am I supposed to do? Am I supposed to talk down to their level, homey? Hang my pants down to my knees, talking about how I put a cap in some copper, and want to feel her up? Will that turn them on? Or do I have to play the "Deliverance" game, and be an unsophisticated "little man" of the grassroots movement. Let's talk about corn, riding ATV's, huntin', and chewin' tobacce!

It seems the only time girls in my age range talk to guys with an intellect is when they have money to flash around. Otherwise, they just want someone with a pair between their legs who they think they can control like a dog on a leash. Does intelligence really frighten them, or are they just too incompetent to keep up?



When you state that you find that most of these girls are false advertising, the girl gets the impression that you are overly critical, and it makes her defensive, because she's afraid she can't meet your standards, and that you'd just reject her. So she verbally attacks you first. This way she at least feels empowered about the prospect of rejection.



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23 Jan 2008, 12:38 am

I have had difficulties with women because they kept saying how smart I was, and it made it tough for us to relate. Also, my sense of humor was too intelligent. We would watch stupid movies and she would laugh her ass off, and I would force laughs just to not seem like a freak... to which I would get "you have no sense of humor". No, I am just very discriminating, and I don't think stupid brainless jokes are very funny. *vent*



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23 Jan 2008, 12:44 am

You obviously need to sit down and watch some Daily Show...



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23 Jan 2008, 11:25 am

Space wrote:
I have had difficulties with women because they kept saying how smart I was, and it made it tough for us to relate. Also, my sense of humor was too intelligent. We would watch stupid movies and she would laugh her ass off, and I would force laughs just to not seem like a freak... to which I would get "you have no sense of humor". No, I am just very discriminating, and I don't think stupid brainless jokes are very funny. *vent*
Even if what the person laughs at is brainless, you shouldn't say that to them. Cutting them down is definetly more of a turn off than stupid jokes.