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Ante
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25 Jun 2005, 9:44 pm

anti-everything wrote:
Because there are a lot of people who live fantasy
lives or lie on the internet people are bound to be
sceptical about a person's behaviour being linked
to a mental illness.


This can apply to any media. Look at Television
re-enactment...since they saw it on TV, perhaps
they can do it.

Let's not put blame on the sources, but as you said
look at the indivuals and their issues!

anti-everything wrote:
a person with multiple personalities logged onto a
chatroom and then disconnected and logged on
again with a different username, a moderator would
tell everybody they had the same IP and they would
be held in suspicion, maybe given a warning or banned.


Hmmmmm? Explain this one in more example'd
detail. The only chat-line and posting sites I am
familiar with is WrongPlanet! So please forgive
my nievity!

anti-everything wrote:
perhaps people underestimate the amount of people
with manic depression, schizophrenia and other mental
illnesses online.


I have no opinion on this since this site, WrongPlanet
can also apply to your statement and I personally
have seen some scarry switches in the mental
states and writing they have done!

Hmmmm? Slight pause by Ghosthunter......!

Perhaps one needs to consider the type of sight
they are entering before posting. The ones with
co-morbid issue'd people would be, from what
you say red-flags? WrongPlanet, Bi-Polar, ect...
could easily be stereotyped using your idea
and the lack of judgement by the posting person.

anit-everything wrote:
I've often witnessed conversations in chatrooms
that could be linked to mental illnesses but which
are dismissed as people simply being trolls,
annoyances, etc.


Again! Posting person should read, examine
the posts past and then make a individual
decision, not a blanket judgement as this is
sounding like. Am I reading into your statements
wrong?????????

anti-everything wrote:
It offers an amount of expression and anonymity
that can benefit people who want to fulfill fantasies
and so some parts of the internet are dreamworlds
of sorts.


This is why people post, anonymity!

anti-everything wrote:
you've got people who kind of live fantasies online.
It's not that strange considering the internet in many
ways can never be truly real.


Agreed! The internet is just another form of
expressive media.

anti-everything wrote:
these two reasons combined it's best to not take what
people say online too seriously.


anti-everything wrote:
People might be more likely to be strange just because
of the environment in which they are communicating and
what they are doing isn't a reflection of their true character


This is true, but in some cases, autism sites like
WrongPlanet are to allow the breaking of stereotypical
shells that the autistic person has built, thus their
true nature can come out! Be it bad or good.

Everyone has the right to express and be healed
through their words. The NT world just wants
them to go away and "Shut up", thus just cope.
This expression online is sometimes neccessary
to break these shells.

anti-everything wrote:
people with some mental illnesses their delusional
aspects or extreme aspects may be magnified on the
internet where they have less bases of reality to
support themselves and so they also could well be
not being themselves online.


This fakeness is temporary for most and their shells
eventually get broke and true healing and expression
will eventually begin! Let's not put blankets on each
other, like folks in the NT world have done to the autistic
community.

Hmmmmmm? Not sure how to react to your thoughts?
Ghosthunter-Hmmmmmmm?



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26 Jun 2005, 1:00 am

Very interesting topic.

AntiEverything wrote:
if a person with multiple personalities logged onto a chatroom and then disconnected and logged on again with a different username, a moderator would tell everybody they had the same IP and they would be held in suspicion, maybe given a warning or banned. They could genuinely have DID, though.


I actually saw this happen in a psych forum I used to read regularly. I have no idea if it was a genuine case of DID or simply a very intense fantasy. But considering enough data to make a real diagnosis couldn't be gathered from a few forum posts, I was shocked by the response. Even practicing psychologists were hostile to the person in question. They blundered around, either oblivious or uncaring to whatever was going on with this person behind the scenes, doing things like telling her "alter" directly that he was just an unhealthy figment of her imagination. True or not - I would have expected a little more discretion from professionals.

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I've often witnessed conversations in chatrooms that could be linked to mental illnesses but which are dismissed as people simply being trolls, annoyances, etc. It seems people don't always consider all the options behind a person's actions and words to me.


Agreed. But it becomes a balance between the purpose of the forum, the desires of other forum members, and the needs of the "troll" in question. Not all forums are created to coddle people's issues. Without a good way to quickly tell a random a** from a mental illness, some level of discipline has to be enforced or the forum will dissolve into incoherency.

WP is one of the more open-minded forums I've been on - as it should be. But I also post on business forums where a standard of professional decency has to be maintained, so I can understand when disrespectful or off-topic posters are dealt with quickly.

AntiEverything wrote:
Perhaps for these two reasons combined it's best to not take what people say online too seriously.


Or maybe we don't take it seriously enough. The safety, the anonymity, and for some spectrum people, one of the few ways they can manage direct communication - creates a place where people feel free to talk about issues they would never dare bring up in person. And people who've covered the same territory themselves - whether abuse or suicidal thoughts or any other intense, stigmatized topic - can be brought together in communities (like WP!) where they can genuinely help.

The internet can feed a delusion ( shifters.org, anyone? ) but it can also be a tool for great good.



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26 Jun 2005, 1:31 am

pyraxis wrote:
WP is one of the more open-minded forums
I've been on - as it should be. But I also post
on business forums where a standard of professional
decency has to be maintained, so I can understand
when disrespectful or off-topic posters are dealt
with quickly.


Agreed! There is a time and place for everything!
I do not totally agree on the part of singlemindedness
of some people though! One persons perception is
not another, and sometimes off-topic is actuall
on topic, just worded differently? Any thoughts
on this?

pyraxis wrote:
Or maybe we don't take it seriously enough. The safety,
the anonymity, and for some spectrum people, one of
the few ways they can manage direct communication -
creates a place where people feel free to talk about
issues they would never dare bring up in person. And
people who've covered the same territory themselves -
whether abuse or suicidal thoughts or any other intense,
stigmatized topic - can be brought together in communities
(like WP!) where they can genuinely help.


I have perused some other PG13 level sites where
politeness is extreme, and autism experiences cannot
be discussed with Disney PG13 politeness, or it's just
a non-functional result, thus i agree a genuine PG17
non-politeness and frankness is neccessary!



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26 Jun 2005, 2:22 am

Ghosthunter wrote:
I do not totally agree on the part of singlemindedness
of some people though! One persons perception is
not another, and sometimes off-topic is actuall
on topic, just worded differently? Any thoughts
on this?


It's a good point. The forum I'm thinking of has a lot of international posters who are not very good with English. It says in the forum instructions to stay on topic, but I think people understand that mistakes in wording are actually people being on topic but not understanding the language. I've never noticed anyone being banned just for off-topic posts.



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26 Jun 2005, 10:07 am

Very interesting.



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26 Jun 2005, 12:33 pm

I've done the multi login thing as an attempt to test scripts I've written before, so that could also be it.


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26 Jun 2005, 5:50 pm

AntiEverything wrote:
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Just to clarify I wasn't talking about AS and
Autism so sorry if there's a misunderstanding
about that. I'm not making any insinuations
about this site. What inspired this thread was
Yahoo! Chatrooms. Just try going around those
rooms, they're strange and chaotic.


Due to my inexperience with Yahoo chatrooms,
can you give some examples?

Sincerely,
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26 Jun 2005, 7:27 pm

Online is the only place I feel I can be real.
I live a fantasy life offline everyday every time I step outside my front door.

That's one reason I love the SCA! I can disappear for hours/days into another time and place... and everyone else there is just as deep into their own fantasy! :D



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26 Jun 2005, 7:40 pm

Cindy wrote:
Online is the only place I feel I can be real.
I live a fantasy life offline everyday every time I step outside my front door.


I'm lucky, I've found a couple close friends that understand about the spectrum, so I can experiment with being real in person until I've gotten myself desensitized enough to be able to handle more public exposure without meltdown.

Look on the bright side - at least your whole house is your own territory.

Cindy wrote:
That's one reason I love the SCA! I can disappear for hours/days into another time and place... and everyone else there is just as deep into their own fantasy! :D


Ha! I love tabletop RPG's for the exact same reason. Heck, I probably learned most of my social skills from gamers and from experimenting in-game. If you screw up - you were just trying to roleplay your character. If you run into a confusing situation - well, your char has a higher charisma score than you, and should be able to get away with things you don't have the words for. :D



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26 Jun 2005, 7:55 pm

pyraxis wrote:
Look on the bright side - at least your whole house is your own territory.


Absolutely right! :twisted:


Never played RPGs.



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27 Jun 2005, 6:37 am

Since I first used a chatroom at 14 - I have been agressive towards internet people. I don't know why.

I really hated the fact that they all "roleplayed" and no-one in that chat ever wanted to just talk. I don't use the internet as a fantasy life, but I do use it to escape reality.

I have two worlds, online and offline.



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27 Jun 2005, 6:58 am

I have to put up a facade offline so I like to be me online.



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27 Jun 2005, 5:12 pm

Yeech! And I thought I was terrible!
Hmmmm?