AS -- the purest form of a human being?

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28 Jan 2006, 10:53 am

Yes, all of you have something in common, and we are here to learn from each other. In that case, we become smarter every day and enlighten ourselves with such information. We, as people with AS, grow in this manner.


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28 Jan 2006, 6:19 pm

You know, sometimes i really wish it was that simple.


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28 Jan 2006, 6:43 pm

The way we go about that is rather interesting.


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29 Jan 2006, 2:57 pm

Actually, I wish it were that simple too. I just listed a few traits. Heck, I don't even know what all the traits of AS are...



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29 Jan 2006, 3:24 pm

How we handle it is "childlike," not "childish." We don't mean to act like children, but the way we seem to interact with people sure is like that. For example, we tend to interrupt people when they talk about a subject of interest. This shows exactly how we heighten our intelligence. We just can't seem to wait to decipher a certain point about something, and this backs up a certain obsession that we as people with AS have.


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29 Jan 2006, 5:18 pm

I think that Conservativeness might also be a Trait. Maybe it's just me, though.

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29 Jan 2006, 10:49 pm

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So here, what exactly do you mean by negative. I'm inferring from the rest of your post that you're referring to the inability to proficiently navigate social currents- meeting new people, mingling amongst a group of many different people, ascertaining how appropriate actions or words are in different social contexts. Basically the issues that take up a large amount of discussion space on these forums.

The thing is that these 'negative traits' are essentially pragmatic in nature; they impede our ability to associate with people readily and comfortably in our day to day life. (as we all know) Humans are social animals, and deficiency in these skills can be extremely draining and demoralising. That said, I think that it is a mistake to focus on these extensional traits to such a degree that one ignores and devalues his own experience/values/ethics/beliefs- one's inner world that is essentially intrinsic. (and I think that this process is often unconscious)

You bring up these traits as a counterpoint to those observed by alblurt_06, and while they it is true that they are present alongside the more positive traits, in no way do they negate them. We are not bad people because we're bad at 'playing' social games- nor do we have any less to offer other people and the world.

Oh ho, yes, it does seem that my post is talking about social abilities, doesn't it? But I mean it not in a social context, even though that is an expression of the problem, but the inability to accept other people and their differences. Whilst I am not trying to negate the points observed by alblurt_06, one can hardly say that they are a purer form of being without also considering other traits. The fact that they can be taught to lie and other things suggest that they are not "purer", merely that they grow out of their childhood innocence/naivety slower than most. NT's experience the same phase, but they generally develop past it quicker. Thus they are not inherently purer than NTs, but like a lot about autism, they are developmentally-delayed.


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29 Jan 2006, 11:09 pm

alblurt_06 wrote:

Aspies tell the truth - People with AS love telling the truth, even when it's not intended. Heck, for a lot of years, I would just tell it like it is and hurt people's feelings. It wasn't until a couple years ago that I actually started lying. When I got away with it, I was kind of proud. Honestly, lying is something I would avoid as much as possible but in life, it's something you need to know how to do. Heck, maybe this thread is a bit too truthy and a bit blunt for it.


This applies to me, but just look around you. This isn't exactly true.

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Aspies are inherently nice - You know, as young kids, we're told to be nice to others - and we take it literally, we are nice to others, even to people who aren't really our friends. I know NTs are nice to people too, but it's just the fact that people with AS somehow overstretch it. Even more so, they trust those they don't know--kind of like an early earth feel--you know everyone else, why not trust them.


WRONG.

You are obviously too ignorant to even observe the behavior on here. There may be more supportive replies, but it is a support site. Otherwise it is no different to any NT forum.

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Aspies take things way too literally - How many times has someone told you something that was meant to sound some other way but you took it some way else? I find myself doing things that aren't supposed to be done but I did it anyway because it's what the person said -- in a nearly literal sense.


WRONG.

I have never done this.



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30 Jan 2006, 12:23 am

Don't be cruel. I know it might be offensive to hear posts like, "Aspies better than NT's because of some and such reason." But you don't have to insult them when you explain to them you disagree.


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30 Jan 2006, 2:45 pm

Absolutely!


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30 Jan 2006, 11:43 pm

Oh, I take things literally all the time. Tell me a joke. I'll think you mean it. :D



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07 Feb 2006, 4:48 am

Well personally I subscribe to the theory of evolution and according to that theory you can't really think about organisms as being pure or not. In terms of evolution we may be a failure because we are not surviving very well. Although it has been too soon to decide whether or not we have failed as a mutation(if that is infact what we are).

Besides the theory of evolution it seems to me that AS have a whole bunch of really helpful, productive tendancies that would if we replaced NT's as the dominant variety of human would allow the human race as a whole to better achieve(but not reach in a snap) its own values. But that is probably just because i AM an aspergers and I believe the way aspergers live is the better way. Which i know is just a value judgement.

Although as can be seen in this world, forum, and this very thread that plenty of misunderstandings occur, plenty of people hurt each other, there is a lot of room for improvment if genetics does indeed play a signifigant role in peoples general behavioral tendancies. So according to a CERTAIN set of values AS can be consider the thus-far purest human beings. But it seems to me that the most pure human being according to say, those values, is a long way from where we are.

I think that AS and autism are symptoms of a genetic mutation or series of mutations which may have an exciting or tragic future in this world. Unfortunately I'll probably be dead before I see either thing happen.


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08 Feb 2006, 11:59 pm

Understood.

Does anyone want to list all the traits of AS? After this long while, I would absolutely love to know.



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11 Feb 2006, 10:27 pm

Thanks for sharing your opinion; I can understand what you are talking about, but that doesn't necessarily make it wholly correct.

1) I've never had a problem lieing. Maybe when I was younger, but I sure can tell lies these days. I think the only problem we really face is when someone asks our opinions on something.

2) I am not necessarily inherently nice. I'm not sure where you came up with this. As a matter of a fact, Aspies are known to become relatively cruel sometimes. If this mainly comes from genes and uncontrollabe chemicals in the brain or social stress, just depends on the person.

3) Aspies usually only take things too literally when they haven't been told that they do. ONce someone with AS knows they have AS, this trait seems to dissapear after a few months. This is mainly because (just guessing), they consciously work on not taking things too literally.



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16 Feb 2006, 10:26 pm

aylissa wrote:
Personally, I think the world would be a better place if we were all trusting, sincere and guileless.

Yes, but then no one would get to have any fun.
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18 Feb 2006, 4:53 am

I WONDER IF THIS WOULD CLEAR THINGS UP FOR YOU GUYS A LITTLE

Ok we need to address this in a scientific way, like how Aspies like to do. We are a science oriented people. One thing about science is that, science and truth are both allies. It is counter productive to use lies to advance the progress of your chosen scientific field whether it is Mathematics , Engineering, computer , or Biology.

Could you imagine how mathematics would be hold back if mathematicians lied about mathematical formula and sums (456 * 9 =8). How could that be progress?

Politics and Religion are the domains of NT, lying cheating, manipulating conquering are a trait needed to succeed in these fields, while those would be weaknesses in the domain of science. If something succeeds for them then they continue to believe in it regardless of whether it is scientific fact or not. Example in order to keep the population in order you can threaten them with the fear of going to hell, or you can reword them with everlasting paradice. Most NT believes in this and historically it has worked well in order to keep the population in order so it became the TRUTH OF THE UNIVERSE and these beliefs are involving all of the time to adapt it its environment, the evolution of lies.