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02 Dec 2009, 9:46 am

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I sometimes have particularly misanthropic days. Today for example. nothing in particular has happened...
Until our fearless leader got on the horn and topped them all. Yes, I voted for him. Not that it made any difference. Puppetteering you can believe in.


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02 Dec 2009, 1:45 pm

I guess I could say I am a misanthrope. I don't trust people. They're not just complicated, they're evil. And they disgust me. They're weird. And even stupid. I mean, like with that anthrax a few years ago, well, one of my teachers had been eating a powdered doughnut at his desk a bit earlier, and someone saw the powdered sugar. They evacuated the whole building. Others thought it was cocaine, as well. :roll:



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02 Dec 2009, 10:31 pm

My parents said I hated Sunday school because I thought all of the kids were stupid, so I guess I come by it naturally. I don't really like people, but I do have compassion when they suffer.


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03 Dec 2009, 4:38 pm

Tahitiii wrote:
anna-banana wrote:
I sometimes have particularly misanthropic days. Today for example. nothing in particular has happened...
Until our fearless leader got on the horn and topped them all. Yes, I voted for him. Not that it made any difference. Puppetteering you can believe in.


I don't think we have the same leader :)


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03 Dec 2009, 5:59 pm

this is something i struggle with daily. i don't want to be the sort of person that is full of hate, or feels superior. i think those are both character flaws. yet, i find this world and the majority of the people who populate it make fighting this frame of mind exceedingly difficult at times. i just try to remind myself regularly that there ARE good people out there......even if they are the minority. sometimes that works, sometimes it just makes me depressed.



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03 Dec 2009, 6:49 pm

I think all you can really do about it is try not to view people as a group. There are lots of great individuals.. it's when you look at people as or in groups that it gets bad. If you don't know somebody, you just don't know if you like them or not. I try to generally reserve judgment. If I don't know about somebody, then I don't know about them, they could be good, bad, or neutral, I don't know. If we don't have anything in common or any particular reason to interact, I don't have to find out. If for some reason I end up getting to know them better, then I'll find out. Until then, it's not my place to judge anyone. I mean, it's not my place to judge anybody at all, but it's necessary to attempt to figure out who you think you can trust, who you can't, who you can understand, who you can't, who tries to help people, who has malicious intents, etc.



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03 Dec 2009, 9:52 pm

I am uninterested in most people to the point that I haven't developed any particular feeling toward the general population, good or bad. I guess my lack of interest could be defined as dislike. If I liked them, I would at least try to form an interest in them.


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03 Dec 2009, 9:57 pm

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I guess my lack of interest could be defined as dislike. If I liked them, I would at least try to form an interest in them.

It's not dislike to just not like somebody. I don't think that you dislike somebody if you don't feel anything at all about them. It's just disinterest.. feeling that they can do whatever they like and you don't care, so long as they don't try to harm you. That's not dislike, is it?



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06 Dec 2009, 7:12 pm

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It's not dislike to just not like somebody. I don't think that you dislike somebody if you don't feel anything at all about them. It's just disinterest.. feeling that they can do whatever they like and you don't care, so long as they don't try to harm you. That's not dislike, is it?
That's the ideal. It's called "live and let live." If only everyone felt that way.



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16 Dec 2009, 3:28 pm

Yes I'm a misanthrope by definition, I don't trust people generally, it doesn't mean I judge everyone as bad though and don't give people chances though.

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Now that I think of it, I suppose I am a misanthrope.
That's assuming I understand the definition.
Most humans are absolutely vile.
If you've been paying attention, how can you see them any other way?


I'm not sure about the actual statistics but most people do seem to be nothing more than social-psychopaths, a pack of irresponsible, hypocritical, narcissistic liars who only care about themselves and meaningless superficial nonsense.

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40 years later, I think it might be a recovering misanthrope... there are a couple of humans I like. Most days. Rolling Eyes


Being misanthropic doesn't neccesarily mean you hate or distrust 100% of people or don't give people a chance, you can just generally distrust humanity like myself and still give people a chance and like and respect many individuals.

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Somehow, most people magicaly assume that we are some kind of ego trip.


People usually either agree with me or tell me how "wonderful" the world is and how most people are "good" and have "perfectly legitimate" reasons for being douche's.

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I think like any thing related to the social in life misanthropy is a two way street. It may begin at either end. People treat you like crap, you feel like crap, so you hold it against the World. Or if you start out with that attitude people can sense it and throw it right back in your face.


How would you start out with the attitude, something would need to trigger it? Also people can't sense jack, the magical/psychic powers thing needs to stop.

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Misanthropy seems to be popular now - with all the wars and violence it's easy to call alot of people bad, selfish, etc forgetting that we are the same.


All the same? Yeah, we're equals and we all have the same rights (or should), but there are people who are narcissistic douchers, or do you deny that Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy, Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin, Saddam Hussein, and Bernard Madoff (and that list is small) exist or have existed? Are you of the same mindset as these a**holes of huge magnitude? I would think not, you mistake calling evil by it's name with damnation of individuals as irredeemably evil. If you see someone being mugged or raped do you just sit there and say "we're all the same" or do you actually try to help by calling the police or defending the victim?

"Evil occurs when good people do nothing"- I don't know the source of the quote.

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I think it handicaps our ability to collectively improve ourselves.


You aren't improving yourself when you embrace a narcissistic culture where cheaters prosper and people who play by the rules are stomped on. Where the government and corporations lie and the people are encouraged to lie. Haven't you learned anything from the Civil Rights movement? You have to fight evil and speak out to instill change, blacks, women, and the GLBT community didn't take injustice sitting down and bowing, they fought back and spoke out against a corrupt and unjust system and society.

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Actually, that’s not true. SOMEONE is in charge. The five or six vilest creatures in history are currently in control of the whole world.


I'm not sure it's actually just five or six, it's corrupt government executives working with corrupt corporation executives so it could be alot more people than that.

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We still have a little time and could change that, without a violent revolution.


Yes we could, but people would actually have to think for themselves (oh noes! THINKING! A humans worst nightmare) and actually start empathizing with each other (Killing Narcissus as I would call it), that's a hard thing to do, getting people to think and feel for others seems nigh impossible right now as people just don't seem to give a rat's ass.

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Quote:
First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak out for me.
(Martin Niemöller (1892–1984) about the inactivity of German intellectuals following
the Nazi rise to power and the purging of their chosen targets, group after group.)

The weirdest part is that my brother is a Jewish convert, and married a Jew. I want to ask him why they recite the story of the Holocaust, and whether it contains some special lesson we should remember.


That story does have a message and a very good one at that, I believe it's "Ignoring injustice just because it doesn't affect you is bad, because you may be the next victim".

Besides another good rationale for empathy and a sense of morality and justice is "You wouldn't want something bad happening to you or your friends and family, so don't wish it/do it or ignore it when it happens to others".

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Today, if you connect the dots and acknowledge reality, they’ll just classify you as a member of the tinfoil hat brigade…


That or they'll just say you're a cynic who needs to "lighten up" and that "life's a game", and all kinds of assorted nonsense.

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That's the ideal. It's called "live and let live." If only everyone felt that way.


Nowadays, it's "life's a game", "live fast, leave a beautiful corpse", "look out for number one", "lie, lie, deny", pretty much anti-social narcissistic idiocy at it's finest.


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16 Dec 2009, 8:39 pm

The quotes you were looking for:

“All that’s required for evil to flourish is that good men do nothing.”
Incorrectly attributed to Edmund Burke (1728-1797). Popularized by John F. Kennedy.

“Being well-adjusted to a profoundly sick society is no measure of health.”
~ Jiddu Krishnamurti


(PS: Whatever happened to our little club?)



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16 Dec 2009, 10:24 pm

Tahitiii wrote:
The quotes you were looking for:

“All that’s required for evil to flourish is that good men do nothing.”
Incorrectly attributed to Edmund Burke (1728-1797). Popularized by John F. Kennedy.

“Being well-adjusted to a profoundly sick society is no measure of health.”
~ Jiddu Krishnamurti


Those quotes are awesome, there's excellent wisdom in those quotes.

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(PS: Whatever happened to our little club?)


Everyone stopped coming and I'm doing alot of stuff (martial arts, strength training, trying to improve *get into the habit of doing more stuff* for daily living, trying to have a social life of some sorts, trying to figure out what to go back to school for *what I'd like to do for a living* ect.)


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17 Dec 2009, 11:01 am

lol yeah the human race is egotistical and hostile, they always steryotpye that an animal is less important than a human, but who are they to decide that? when the human race dies animals will carry on fine. and they always engage in meanigless tribal conflicts, they have all the neccecities of a psycopath lol, some of them are alright though, id just place the majority under the psycopath catergory, and i wouldnt think this way of them just because your pissed off, otherwise your no better than a white supremacist.


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22 Aug 2010, 12:22 pm

I find myself living with the contradiction of being a humanist and a misanthrope at the same time.



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22 Aug 2010, 12:52 pm

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I find myself living with the contradiction of being a humanist and a misanthrope at the same time.
How can you not be both? Humans are so vile.
At every level. From the playground to the local squabbles, all the way to the top of the food chain.
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22 Aug 2010, 1:20 pm

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"Misanthropy is a general dislike, distrust, disgust, contempt, or hatred of the human species"

Seems like a sensible philosophy to me. After all, humans are little more than chimps with less hair and a better vocubulary. Even though they think they are far superior.


Heh, I find it funny how humans assume they're superior to every other species on the planet, too, and some of the stuff they do and rationalise is disgusting IMO. Maybe that description does suit me a bit.