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MrDiamondMind
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31 May 2010, 1:16 am

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What exactly do you want to get out of the social contacts and what are you willing to give? It seems like you'd need to know that before you could make any meaningful human connections.

What I want is to have somebody that I can actually communicate with. Someone that I can bombard with many g-loaded concepts and have them respond in a way I would deem satisfactory. All of my life, I've never really ever talked to anybody; I always filtered my intelligence. The only people I ever talked to by using a light filter were my parents. And it went over their heads many times. I never talked to anyone "raw". :wink:

I'm 24 years old and I never truly talked to anybody. Can you believe that? It's annoying, especially knowing that I could.



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31 May 2010, 8:31 am

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I don’t have a job.
I used to have friends, but I abandoned them all because they were stupid. Not ‘stupid’ in the sense that I didn’t like them, but ‘stupid’ in the way the word was meant to be used - low intelligence! (Hooray! I use words accurately!)


I'm almost that bad.

A guy I love to hang out with is not the brightest bulb in the box, but he is a gifted listener. One reason I love hanging with him is that he make me feel like the most important person on the planet. He makes me feel as if my thoughts, feelings, opinions, etc. actually matter in this world (most everyone else tunes me out as soon as I open my mouth).

I mentioned this to him, and he explained that he sees every person he meets as an opportunity to learn something new. So, yes, when I talk to him, he doesn't have a clue about much of what I talk about, but he's always interested in how I see things because it's a perspective he's wouldn't see by himself.

Hence, I try to use that to be more "sociable" with my AS. Yeah, odds are the NTs I'm around are blathering about something I find amazingly boring, but I keep telling myself to listen because I might pick up something interesting along the way.



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01 Jun 2010, 7:27 am

8O don’t have a job - same
i have 1 good friend that is it.
I don’t have friends.
i like to stay at home doing the things l like to do on my own,

i never had many friends i had 1 other friends she bullied me picked on me 8O :? :?



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02 Jun 2010, 1:25 pm

I'm in a similar boat to the original poster, but I realized some things.

I used to absolutely refuse to associate on anything but the most basic level with people that I considered to be less than intelligent. The problem with that was that I ended up very lonely, especially since I was spending so much time at home not working or anything. I was a bitter person, stuck to my belief that an average person was "a complete and utter moron" and not worth the physical space they took up. Carrying that sort of attitude around with you makes it very difficult to associate with other people, even the ones that you want to associate with. Your attitude of "everyone else sucks," shows through and rubs pretty much everyone the wrong way.

I can't recommend against having an entirely online social life enough. It works for a while, but the vast majority of people truly want to interact with others. I don't think many (if any) people can last forever on only online communication. It's time to expand your horizons a bit and learn to accept people for who they are. It isn't easy for those of us with AS (or whatever) to socialize and make friends, but it's well worth the extra effort.



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02 Jun 2010, 4:10 pm

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I can't recommend against having an entirely online social life enough. It works for a while, but the vast majority of people truly want to interact with others. I don't think many (if any) people can last forever on only online communication. It's time to expand your horizons a bit and learn to accept people for who they are. It isn't easy for those of us with AS (or whatever) to socialize and make friends, but it's well worth the extra effort.


This. I've tried it and let's just say it didn't work. If you're anything like me -- and I definitely consider myself very... non-social (i don't think the word anti-social is apt) -- then you'll just end up feeling depressed and lonely. This will make things even more difficult if/when you finally decide that you made a mistake.



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02 Jun 2010, 6:10 pm

I remember the time that I didn't have a social network, back in the late 90s. It wasn't very pleasant. I'm glad those days are over.


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02 Jun 2010, 6:28 pm

MrDiamondMind wrote:
Cuterebra wrote:
What exactly do you want to get out of the social contacts and what are you willing to give? It seems like you'd need to know that before you could make any meaningful human connections.

What I want is to have somebody that I can actually communicate with. Someone that I can bombard with many g-loaded concepts and have them respond in a way I would deem satisfactory. All of my life, I've never really ever talked to anybody; I always filtered my intelligence. The only people I ever talked to by using a light filter were my parents. And it went over their heads many times. I never talked to anyone "raw". :wink:

I'm 24 years old and I never truly talked to anybody. Can you believe that? It's annoying, especially knowing that I could.


It took me a long time before I found people like that.

I think the key is finding people who are interested in some of the same things.

Oh, and one thing that has helped a lot in allowing me to have interesting conversations is working really hard to temper my discussion/debate style and make it less aggressive. This has taken me a TON of effort, but it has gone a long way toward making me less intimidating. I make a concerted effort to ask questions politely, especially when I find myself disagreeing with the person or wondering if they are stupid. It goes over much better than my natural "philosophical death match" style of discussion, though it does take quite a bit of self control.

Now that I've gotten into the habit of asking questions, I find that even people that i don't like very much have some interesting things to say. And if I mine them for data, they serve some purpose and get on my nerves less...



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02 Jun 2010, 7:40 pm

I have no friends at all. The ones I have had, I didnt really like them. I have no family except for one sister i barely talk to. Is it wrong that I dont feel lonely? I mean sometimes I do, but then I think about the friends I did have and I figure I'm better off.



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02 Jun 2010, 8:13 pm

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I have no friends at all. The ones I have had, I didnt really like them. I have no family except for one sister i barely talk to. Is it wrong that I dont feel lonely? I mean sometimes I do, but then I think about the friends I did have and I figure I'm better off.


You're probably lonely more than you realize, it's just that you're so used to flying solo that it's normal to you so you don't really notice.

I can also level with you about feeling better off without your old friends, but like I said above, it really behooves the vast majority of people to have at least one person that you can socialize with and genuinely enjoy the company of.



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05 Jun 2010, 2:54 am

Hi all, first post!

Nope, no friends either. Well,I still know some friends that I went to school with but just as casual acquaintances-but I don't live in the same town I grew up, so I only meet then mostly in passing when I go home,which is usually once a month!

Apart from that, I find it really hard to make friends basically its so difficult to go to the trouble to "make friends". The whole process is so time consuming and willpower/brain power to make the effort etc to mainly make myself emotionally availible to other people. There, I said it! Thats the whole crux of making friends!

Suppose,the people I still know in my home town became friends over the course of many years, going through middle school together, I still know people from primary school but I Do not keep in touch with them! Thats primary school for you-lumped in with all the schmucks and its only when you get to middle school that you can pick and choose better along the lines of interests and intelligence!! :twisted:

Anyway,thats all for now folks!



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06 Jun 2010, 3:55 am

Yeah, I had these 2 friends they were twins, my only friends, they annoyed me because they were so boring to talk to. So i quit talking to them.

i have no friends. I should be in school, but i hate it. So im not. my only friend is my cat.

YEP WELL. THATS IT.



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06 Jun 2010, 7:16 am

I only have one friend and see her from time to time. Other than that I have no other friends. My friendships faded before being diagnosed with AS. Never knew why but it has become clearer.

Just do not know how to socialise with people. I have find it really difficult to make friends as I find it hard to get to know people. Never had any friends in high school either and was bullied a lot. I am a loner. When it comes to socialising and staying home I would rather stay home. Enjoy my own company.

Would like to meet a few people on WP :-)



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06 Jun 2010, 7:50 am

Guys. Think about this logically and rationally. Sure, we may suck at socialising and therefore making friends. But there's a process behind those things and so they can be learnt. For NTs it's second nature, right? Well, I'm sure you can appreciate that there are people in the world who have practised a skill to such an extent that it has become like second nature to them, despite them not knowing anything about it when they started. It may not be easy and it will involve pushing yourself outside your comfort zone, but that's the case with a lot of ultimately deeply rewarding things in life.

Contrary to popular belief, NTs are not brought into this world with a fully formed sense of themselves or an ability to interact with other people. They have to learn it. I guess we just have trouble learning things the same way. I'm positive it can still be done though. You just need a sense of where you are now e.g. problems you have, things you'd like to improve etc.; a plan of where you'd like to be e.g. what kinds of friends you'd like, what kind of person you'd like to be; and some ways of getting yourself there.

There are people you can talk to, books, websites, basically a whole world of things you can do to help you learn a bit more about yourself, about other people and life in general. Beyond that it's simply a case of getting out there into the world and interacting with other people in a sincere and open way and being confident in who you are. Not everyone will like you, but that's just part of life's rich tapestry. Unless you're a complete jerk then, if you stick at it long enough, you will meet people who like you and take you for who you are. Hell, even if you are a complete jerk there are probably people out there who will like you c.f. Enron. :wink:



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06 Jun 2010, 9:25 am

HenryKrinkle wrote:
Guys. Think about this logically and rationally. Sure, we may suck at socialising and therefore making friends. But there's a process behind those things and so they can be learnt. For NTs it's second nature, right? Well, I'm sure you can appreciate that there are people in the world who have practised a skill to such an extent that it has become like second nature to them, despite them not knowing anything about it when they started. It may not be easy and it will involve pushing yourself outside your comfort zone, but that's the case with a lot of ultimately deeply rewarding things in life.

Contrary to popular belief, NTs are not brought into this world with a fully formed sense of themselves or an ability to interact with other people. They have to learn it. I guess we just have trouble learning things the same way. I'm positive it can still be done though. You just need a sense of where you are now e.g. problems you have, things you'd like to improve etc.; a plan of where you'd like to be e.g. what kinds of friends you'd like, what kind of person you'd like to be; and some ways of getting yourself there.

There are people you can talk to, books, websites, basically a whole world of things you can do to help you learn a bit more about yourself, about other people and life in general. Beyond that it's simply a case of getting out there into the world and interacting with other people in a sincere and open way and being confident in who you are. Not everyone will like you, but that's just part of life's rich tapestry. Unless you're a complete jerk then, if you stick at it long enough, you will meet people who like you and take you for who you are. Hell, even if you are a complete jerk there are probably people out there who will like you c.f. Enron. :wink:


Give this guy a medal. He's helped point out something that seems to be lacking a bit at WP - the drive to improve. Too many people are content to go, "Well, I'm an Aspie," and leave it at that and make no attempt to get better. Newsflash - Everybody has problems. Don't think that just because NT's don't have the same difficulties that we do with social situations that their lives are worry free and easy. If they can constantly strive to better themselves we can too.



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06 Jun 2010, 4:20 pm

Easier said than done. I have no friend to begin with and therefore nobody to tell me what problem I really have.



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06 Jun 2010, 4:29 pm

01001011 wrote:
Easier said than done. I have no friend to begin with and therefore nobody to tell me what problem I really have.

Best just to give up then, right?