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12 Jun 2010, 2:33 am

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Did you read the constitution, all you have to say to the person is "I'm busy, talk to you later" duhhhhhhh.


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If a person cannot talk at the time, he or she must say “busy right now, don’t have time to talk, get back with me in ______”. If this happens too often the person will be investigated.


I often get mail that I cannot respond to immediately because I have to think things through before I respond. Also, if more than one person is trying to hold a conversation with me in e-mail, I have to at least triple that time because I quickly get overwhelmed with responding to people. This is partly because I am a serious person who gives serious responses and those take time and thought.

In your world, this trait of wanting to give my best to people with whom I am corresponding would get me investigated.

What's more, because people would now feel legally entitled to my attention, there's a risk that I'd be flooded with people who wanted to talk to me and I'd be spending all my time going down to the police station putting legal blocks on people so I didn't get investigated or executed because I can't hold a conversation -- online or offline -- with twelve people at the same time!

Today I'm feeling bitter because I really hate my world and feel trapped and imprisoned in this life. I'm glad I read your post because I realized how much worse it could be -- I could live in a brutal dictatorship willing to commit political murder against me because I am too distracted and stressed to carry on multiple conversations. Thank you for showing me that my life isn't anywhere near as bad as it could be if I lived in the world you described. You actually made my day better.


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12 Jun 2010, 2:33 am

well thats why in my constitution it says that one can go down to the police and let the police deal with the person theyb don't want to talk to, instead of confronting them themselves.



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12 Jun 2010, 2:38 am

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Did you read the constitution, all you have to say to the person is "I'm busy, talk to you later" duhhhhhhh.


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If a person cannot talk at the time, he or she must say “busy right now, don’t have time to talk, get back with me in ______”. If this happens too often the person will be investigated.


I often get mail that I cannot respond to immediately because I have to think things through before I respond. Also, if more than one person is trying to hold a conversation with me in e-mail, I have to at least triple that time because I quickly get overwhelmed with responding to people. This is partly because I am a serious person who gives serious responses and those take time and thought.

In your world, this trait of wanting to give my best to people with whom I am corresponding would get me investigated.

What's more, because people would now feel legally entitled to my attention, there's a risk that I'd be flooded with people who wanted to talk to me and I'd be spending all my time going down to the police station putting legal blocks on people so I didn't get investigated or executed because I can't hold a conversation -- online or offline -- with twelve people at the same time!

Today I'm feeling bitter because I really hate my world and feel trapped and imprisoned in this life. I'm glad I read your post because I realized how much worse it could be -- I could live in a brutal dictatorship willing to commit political murder against me because I am too distracted and stressed to carry on multiple conversations. Thank you for showing me that my life isn't anywhere near as bad as it could be if I lived in the world you described. You actually made my day better.


Wow, someone's really full of it. Im glad I made your day better. But you dont have to carry on conversations, you can say that you're you are talking to other people. remember the government knows if you are talking to other people or not in my world, so no worries. quit trying to make my world look bad, you just can't. it's logically thought up in my head and I've been thinking about it for years, i didnt just make this up today.



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12 Jun 2010, 2:39 am

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The Constitution of The Perfect World

Messaging: Text, Email, Social Networking Sites.
1. If a message is ignored the following happens:
o First time= warning
o Second time=warning
o Third time=Jail time. Up to forty days
2. If the person ignores a message after getting out of jail the following happens:
o Jail time/ Lethal Injection
3. If a person bombards someone who has told them that he or she is not interested in contacting the following happens:
o First time=warning
o Second time=warning
o Third time=Jail time. Up to forty days
4. If the person bombards a message after getting out of jail the following happens:
o Jail time/ Lethal Injection
Ignore:
Those are the penalties, here’s how things work.
It is against the law to ignore someone’s message.
Definition of ignore: To access a message without responding in conversation or without letting the sender know that you do not want to talk to he or she.
The government has technology which allows them to know whether one has accessed a message or not, therefore if a cell phone is dead, or if a person is not near the phone, the governemnt can feel body heat.
All messages must be opened, or the penalties above will be applied.
Bombard:
Definition of bombard: To contact a person who has already expressed that he or she does not desire to be contacted by you.
The government knows if the person did not receive the message or did not open it.

- The desire to not want to be contacted must be expressed via message, or be taken down to the police station if the person does not want to express it via message.
- Messages can only be ignored if you have already told the person that you don’t want to talk to he or she, if the message is insulting (racist, sexist, etc.), if the message does not require a response such as (ok, I’ll be there, k, etc).
- Responses that appear as if you don not want to talk to the person will be checked out by police.
- If a person cannot talk at the time, he or she must say “busy right now, don’t have time to talk, get back with me in ______”. If this happens too often the person will be investigated. If the recipient on the other end writes back before the time that the person said he or she will be busy till, then the recipient gets penalized.

Ok dude, dudette, whatever?

You picked almost the most fantastically wrong site to post this on. I've read complaints about how aspies are very slow to respond to their messages. This is a site for aspies. Will this go over well?
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Okay, then what part of jailing and executing people for ignoring emails and facebook friend requests sounds mentally healthy to you?

The execution part sounds mentally healthy to me because people will die and therefore reduce the overpopulation problem.


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12 Jun 2010, 3:20 am

I know, why don't you try lobbying for this. We can then bet on what percentage (a lot) of people don't return your calls and emails, or have the cops intervene in the form of a mental health check. :wink:


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12 Jun 2010, 3:46 am

Soledad wrote:
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Soledad wrote:
Did you read the constitution, all you have to say to the person is "I'm busy, talk to you later" duhhhhhhh.


BUT

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If a person cannot talk at the time, he or she must say “busy right now, don’t have time to talk, get back with me in ______”. If this happens too often the person will be investigated.


I often get mail that I cannot respond to immediately because I have to think things through before I respond. Also, if more than one person is trying to hold a conversation with me in e-mail, I have to at least triple that time because I quickly get overwhelmed with responding to people. This is partly because I am a serious person who gives serious responses and those take time and thought.

In your world, this trait of wanting to give my best to people with whom I am corresponding would get me investigated.

What's more, because people would now feel legally entitled to my attention, there's a risk that I'd be flooded with people who wanted to talk to me and I'd be spending all my time going down to the police station putting legal blocks on people so I didn't get investigated or executed because I can't hold a conversation -- online or offline -- with twelve people at the same time!

Today I'm feeling bitter because I really hate my world and feel trapped and imprisoned in this life. I'm glad I read your post because I realized how much worse it could be -- I could live in a brutal dictatorship willing to commit political murder against me because I am too distracted and stressed to carry on multiple conversations. Thank you for showing me that my life isn't anywhere near as bad as it could be if I lived in the world you described. You actually made my day better.


Wow, someone's really full of it. Im glad I made your day better. But you dont have to carry on conversations, you can say that you're you are talking to other people. remember the government knows if you are talking to other people or not in my world, so no worries. quit trying to make my world look bad, you just can't. it's logically thought up in my head and I've been thinking about it for years, i didnt just make this up today.


What if I'm stressed out and I don't want to talk to anyone and can't even deal with opening my e-mail for a week? Your constitution sucks, dude.


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12 Jun 2010, 4:10 am

OMG are these rules real on here?



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12 Jun 2010, 4:41 am

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OMG are these rules real on here?

It's just an idea one of the members had. It is not a rule on this site nor is it implemented IRL anywhere in the world, thank God.


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12 Jun 2010, 8:59 am

Soledad wrote:
Sparrowrose wrote:
Soledad wrote:
Did you read the constitution, all you have to say to the person is "I'm busy, talk to you later" duhhhhhhh.


BUT

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If a person cannot talk at the time, he or she must say “busy right now, don’t have time to talk, get back with me in ______”. If this happens too often the person will be investigated.


I often get mail that I cannot respond to immediately because I have to think things through before I respond. Also, if more than one person is trying to hold a conversation with me in e-mail, I have to at least triple that time because I quickly get overwhelmed with responding to people. This is partly because I am a serious person who gives serious responses and those take time and thought.

In your world, this trait of wanting to give my best to people with whom I am corresponding would get me investigated.

What's more, because people would now feel legally entitled to my attention, there's a risk that I'd be flooded with people who wanted to talk to me and I'd be spending all my time going down to the police station putting legal blocks on people so I didn't get investigated or executed because I can't hold a conversation -- online or offline -- with twelve people at the same time!

Today I'm feeling bitter because I really hate my world and feel trapped and imprisoned in this life. I'm glad I read your post because I realized how much worse it could be -- I could live in a brutal dictatorship willing to commit political murder against me because I am too distracted and stressed to carry on multiple conversations. Thank you for showing me that my life isn't anywhere near as bad as it could be if I lived in the world you described. You actually made my day better.


Wow, someone's really full of it. Im glad I made your day better. But you dont have to carry on conversations, you can say that you're you are talking to other people. remember the government knows if you are talking to other people or not in my world, so no worries. quit trying to make my world look bad, you just can't. it's logically thought up in my head and I've been thinking about it for years, i didnt just make this up today.


Sometimes. It. Is. Not. Possible. To. Talk. To. Anyone. At. All.
It's not a case of not feeling like talking to people or talking to someone else, it's an actual inability. It's like punishing people for not being able to run marathons when their legs don't work properly.
Your proposed world is scary and disturbing.

(In my world, people who demand that people be punished for not being able to pander to their insecurities would be horsewhipped.)


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12 Jun 2010, 9:08 am

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It's probably because you're one of those hypocrites who ignore people. Therefore you are a nightmare


No, I'm one of these people who has difficulty with interpersonal communication (as in, sometimes my ability to talk deserts me), and demands from people that I stop ignoring them make life very painful for me. Your constitution proposes punishing a lot of people for something that they can't help.
I'd be a hypocrite if I was demanding that people talk to me, but I don't. People don't owe it to anyone to talk to them.


Did you read the constitution, all you have to say to the person is "I'm busy, talk to you later" duhhhhhhh. It's not demanding people to talk to anyone, it's demanding people to not ignore people. Ignoring a message is accessing it and disregarding it. In my constitution you cannot do that unless the message is something not worth replying to such as "ok, k, I'll be there"....I'm really forcing people to tell the truth or be honest, something that us aspies wish would be in the world. From my experiences, aspies probably favor this, and it stops a whole lot of confusion of who wants to talk to you or not. I'm not forcing anyone to be friend or talk, just tell the truth.


In the world I inhabit, which appears remarkably like reality, sometimes I and other people find it impossible to reply to messages for reasons other than just ignoring the sender. You are forcing people to talk, and investigating/jailing/killing them for not being able to do so.

My case: sometimes my brain-to-words connection isn't working, and a lot of the time I cannot find the right words to reply to people. In addition, too much social contact (yes, even just replying to messages) is overwhelming for me to the point where I start self-harming and melting down over the smallest things. It's hard enough now just knowing that I make people feel bad by not being able to communicate as much as they wish. It would be a million times more stressful if I was legally required to communicate. Stress makes it even more difficult to talk to people. In your world, I'd be investigated, jailed, and killed, and so would a lot of other people on this site.
Your constitution needs to take into account communication difficulties that may make it look like people are ignoring communication.


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12 Jun 2010, 9:52 am

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Who_Am_I wrote:
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It's probably because you're one of those hypocrites who ignore people. Therefore you are a nightmare


No, I'm one of these people who has difficulty with interpersonal communication (as in, sometimes my ability to talk deserts me), and demands from people that I stop ignoring them make life very painful for me. Your constitution proposes punishing a lot of people for something that they can't help.
I'd be a hypocrite if I was demanding that people talk to me, but I don't. People don't owe it to anyone to talk to them.


Did you read the constitution, all you have to say to the person is "I'm busy, talk to you later" duhhhhhhh. It's not demanding people to talk to anyone, it's demanding people to not ignore people. Ignoring a message is accessing it and disregarding it. In my constitution you cannot do that unless the message is something not worth replying to such as "ok, k, I'll be there"....I'm really forcing people to tell the truth or be honest, something that us aspies wish would be in the world. From my experiences, aspies probably favor this, and it stops a whole lot of confusion of who wants to talk to you or not. I'm not forcing anyone to be friend or talk, just tell the truth.


In the world I inhabit, which appears remarkably like reality, sometimes I and other people find it impossible to reply to messages for reasons other than just ignoring the sender. You are forcing people to talk, and investigating/jailing/killing them for not being able to do so.

My case: sometimes my brain-to-words connection isn't working, and a lot of the time I cannot find the right words to reply to people. In addition, too much social contact (yes, even just replying to messages) is overwhelming for me to the point where I start self-harming and melting down over the smallest things. It's hard enough now just knowing that I make people feel bad by not being able to communicate as much as they wish. It would be a million times more stressful if I was legally required to communicate. Stress makes it even more difficult to talk to people. In your world, I'd be investigated, jailed, and killed, and so would a lot of other people on this site.
Your constitution needs to take into account communication difficulties that may make it look like people are ignoring communication.


I think you have more than just a communication problem, you have a learning problem as well. Saying that, Can't you see that I said that you can express these feelings to the sender. You can tell them that you don't want to reply and why, and if they keep writing you then they are the jerks. You just want to make my thing look bad as much as you can, it is well written. I guess I should've also but that people can say "I don't feel like talking right now, get back with me in _____", along with the "I;m busy get back with me in______". It's still the same thing because no one really knows if you are busy or not. and if the cops investigated you too much for this, then you can tell them about your autism, and they'd accommodate for it. All I'm doing is forcing people to be truthful. In this life you shouldn't use your autism as an excuse to totally blow off a message, you should tell the person you don't fell like talking at the moment. That's the whole point I'm trying to get across. and most people don't do that. I know I do it. It saves people a lot of trouble.

Have you ever seen those facebook groups where people make a group called "I hate it when people don't text back to my long messages". Well that's because the person is ignoring the message. They received it, but they chose not to reply. If they said "hey buddy, I'm tired, don't feel like replying right now". Then the problem can be solved. If the recipient is still mad that the person is tired and keeps texting him or her, then the recipient is the a hole for not taking the person's feelings into consideration. There is nothing wrong with my system. I agree, the killing and jailing is a bit extreme, but we do that in our society for laws that we think is right.

I mean, no one likes paying taxes, some people think restraining orders are silly. But that's how the law is and we go to jail for not abiding by them



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12 Jun 2010, 9:56 am

And I'm talking personal messages here, not junkmail or messages to join this group and that, or emails from colleges telling you to come. it's only personal messages, when the message is deliberately written to you



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12 Jun 2010, 8:01 pm

Soledad wrote:
Who_Am_I wrote:
Soledad wrote:
Who_Am_I wrote:
Soledad wrote:
It's probably because you're one of those hypocrites who ignore people. Therefore you are a nightmare


No, I'm one of these people who has difficulty with interpersonal communication (as in, sometimes my ability to talk deserts me), and demands from people that I stop ignoring them make life very painful for me. Your constitution proposes punishing a lot of people for something that they can't help.
I'd be a hypocrite if I was demanding that people talk to me, but I don't. People don't owe it to anyone to talk to them.


Did you read the constitution, all you have to say to the person is "I'm busy, talk to you later" duhhhhhhh. It's not demanding people to talk to anyone, it's demanding people to not ignore people. Ignoring a message is accessing it and disregarding it. In my constitution you cannot do that unless the message is something not worth replying to such as "ok, k, I'll be there"....I'm really forcing people to tell the truth or be honest, something that us aspies wish would be in the world. From my experiences, aspies probably favor this, and it stops a whole lot of confusion of who wants to talk to you or not. I'm not forcing anyone to be friend or talk, just tell the truth.


In the world I inhabit, which appears remarkably like reality, sometimes I and other people find it impossible to reply to messages for reasons other than just ignoring the sender. You are forcing people to talk, and investigating/jailing/killing them for not being able to do so.

My case: sometimes my brain-to-words connection isn't working, and a lot of the time I cannot find the right words to reply to people. In addition, too much social contact (yes, even just replying to messages) is overwhelming for me to the point where I start self-harming and melting down over the smallest things. It's hard enough now just knowing that I make people feel bad by not being able to communicate as much as they wish. It would be a million times more stressful if I was legally required to communicate. Stress makes it even more difficult to talk to people. In your world, I'd be investigated, jailed, and killed, and so would a lot of other people on this site.
Your constitution needs to take into account communication difficulties that may make it look like people are ignoring communication.


I think you have more than just a communication problem, you have a learning problem as well. Saying that, Can't you see that I said that you can express these feelings to the sender. You can tell them that you don't want to reply and why, and if they keep writing you then they are the jerks. You just want to make my thing look bad as much as you can, it is well written. I guess I should've also but that people can say "I don't feel like talking right now, get back with me in _____", along with the "I;m busy get back with me in______". It's still the same thing because no one really knows if you are busy or not. and if the cops investigated you too much for this, then you can tell them about your autism, and they'd accommodate for it. All I'm doing is forcing people to be truthful. In this life you shouldn't use your autism as an excuse to totally blow off a message, you should tell the person you don't fell like talking at the moment. That's the whole point I'm trying to get across. and most people don't do that. I know I do it. It saves people a lot of trouble.

Have you ever seen those facebook groups where people make a group called "I hate it when people don't text back to my long messages". Well that's because the person is ignoring the message. They received it, but they chose not to reply. If they said "hey buddy, I'm tired, don't feel like replying right now". Then the problem can be solved. If the recipient is still mad that the person is tired and keeps texting him or her, then the recipient is the a hole for not taking the person's feelings into consideration. There is nothing wrong with my system. I agree, the killing and jailing is a bit extreme, but we do that in our society for laws that we think is right.

I mean, no one likes paying taxes, some people think restraining orders are silly. But that's how the law is and we go to jail for not abiding by them


You don't seem to understand that sometimes it's not possible to even find words for "I'm busy right now". I think this is the third time I've had to repeat that point.


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12 Jun 2010, 8:19 pm

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You don't seem to understand that sometimes it's not possible to even find words for "I'm busy right now". I think this is the third time I've had to repeat that point.


Even if no one else understands it, I want to make it clear that I totally understand it.

To those who don't understand how hard it can be to even say "I can't talk right now", let me give an analogy that might help you understand better.

Have you ever banged into something so hard or otherwise had a pain so intense that all you could do was try to control your breathing and work your way through the pain? Were there people who saw it and immediately said, "are you okay?" and "Talk to me! I want to know if you're all right!" but you couldn't get a word out because all you could do was try to work your way through the pain and there wasn't enough left to say anything? Maybe you could nod your head to shut them up while you grappled with the pain. But that was all you could get out.

Now you're online and the pain is not physical. Instead, you're struggling with an autistic trait that causes words to become very difficult to create. You can hear and maybe understand. Maybe you can read and understand. But generating any words of your own feels like swimming upstream in a river of molasses. And you can't nod your head because you're online and no one will see it.

This is what it's like to have words shut down on you. When I've gotten that way, I can barely push one word at a time out and if it happens when I'm away from the house and my partner sees it, he gets very freaked out because of a concern that someone might witness me in that condition and call the police for help or the police might stop him on a routine traffic stop, realize that I'm speaking in a very odd and extremely slow manner, and take me in for observation on suspect drug use or mental illness.

It's a horrible and helpless condition to be in and certainly not one in which one can answer e-mails, not even to say "can't talk. mail later." (Which would take a huge amount of time and effort and is not really worth expending all that on it when the e-mail will still be there later when the spell has passed.)

It is unthinkable to expect someone to have to justify this to the police in order to avoid being executed for "ignoring" someone's e-mail.

Beyond which, it is unthinkable to have the police meddling in everyone's e-mail in the first place and it is unthinkable to use the justice system to enforce general rules of etiquette. What is next? I will be executed if I chew with my mouth open? Yeah, whatever. I'm glad I don't live in a world like that! This one is bad enough as it is but in a world like that, I'd probably quite answering anyone's mail so that I could be executed because I wouldn't want to live like that.


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13 Jun 2010, 3:36 am

I think the title of this song summaries my opinion.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peBR1QWtsj8[/youtube]

..and like so many others here have said: Seek help - you have obvious anger issues that can result in very bad things.


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