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08 Dec 2010, 1:03 am

Generally, there are 3 ways of dealing with bullying: Enable the bullied one to deal with bullying better, get the bullies to stop bullying, and make the environment such that bullying is universally condemned by all, students and teachers alike. Which one of these works best depends on a multitude of factors, too many to even speculate here.

Are you a teacher? Then maybe you can influence the school to make harsher anti-bullying rules, so that there are real disciplinary consequences for bullies besides a 10 minute 'intervention' with a guidance counselor that ends with her saying "Now you two boys shake hands." Otherwise, what I suggest you do, instead of looking for research data from us, is to find yourself a bullied aspie kid and find out about HIM (or her). How long has he been bullied? By who? Where has he gone for help, and what did they do? How much of the bullying is arbitrary, and how much does the victim bring upon himself by his actions or words? And while the bullying is happening, what is everyone else doing? Watching? Ignoring? Helping the bully? This is where you find out the facts, Mverde: One bullied boy at a time. Before you help them all, help him. If you can.


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12 Dec 2010, 7:37 pm

Let me try this again:

I am new to blogging, so I am not sure how to respond to particular comments directly. However, I want to thank everyone who has commented on this issue. I have gleaned genuinely meaningful insights. I want to thank Snowy Wanderer and Sacrip for their follow-up posts. From Snowy Wanderer I am encouraged to explore the connection between particular social and economic milieus and bullying directed to children with Aspergers. From Sacrip I have been given a great suggestion as to how to move forward with my project--one young person at a time!

My experiences on this site have confirmed my hunch that Aspies are truly special folks from whom the world has much to be enriched by.

Michael



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26 Feb 2012, 2:55 am

I got bullied a lot in school as well. When I went to Middle School it was really bad; I was so different from the other kids that they rejected me. Kids would say that I'm nothing or that I was nobody, and say that I had no friends and things like that. I was also bullied at home. My grandmother would force me to sit and eat where the dog ate while everyone else ate dinner together at the table. My mother used to call me fa***t and my brother called me fa***t as well. Well, he is my half-brother technically. I had really low self-esteem and that affected my confidence in myself which led to more bullying because I would often under-perform at certain task. Until...I gave this amazing, poetic speech my senior year that blew the socks off of my senior class, then everyone treated me well because they thought I was a "genius". Now I'm in college and most people are afraid/intimidated of me because of how intelligent I am...it's kind of funny actually.



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26 Feb 2012, 3:25 am

I've been bullied my whole life. I might not has Aspergers, but man am I just an easy target. That's why I'm afraid to get a job, but still. I want to help my dad out around the house. So getting a job would be the best thing. :)


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26 Feb 2012, 8:48 am

I want to thank Mxzysptlik and Mithos for sharing your experiences and current situations in your latest posts. Mxzysptlik, your story is both heart-breaking and inspiring. I am sending good will and energy to you both.



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26 Feb 2012, 10:32 am

mverde wrote:
Hi, Alex--Thank you for your thoughtful reply. Your analogy about the jewish people and the Holocaust raises the subject of identity in a poignant way--namely, what is the basis of our identity, and do we have a common identity deeper than, or at least in addition to, our religious, ethnic, national, gender, etc. identifications? Aspergers seems to open up some intriguing questions in this universe of inquiry, since being identified as one with Aspergers relates to a neurological uniqueness as opposed to one of the more typical categories of difference. One question might be: in what ways are people with Aspergers and people without Aspergers identical--or rather, what is common to them, what ground of humanity do they share, beyond all the ways, including neurological ones, that they are different? Bringing this back to our original topic, one might ask: what common ground of humanity do bullies without Aspergers and those bullied with Aspergers share?

In regards to the impetus to bullying, you have called my attention to the idea that social and institutional influences might be instigating factors. I have never considered how the expectations of the school and the larger social environment might be generating dis-ease that expresses itself ultimately in one person bullying another. More particularly, I never considered that a too narrowly defined ideal of success might create an environment in which people who are anxious about not meeting that ideal themselves would deal with their anxieties by tormenting those who were least in accord with the prevailing notion of success, the outliers, so to speak. The question of identity raised above seems to be at play here too, though in a different guise: with what ideal does a particular school encourage us to identify? What identities are acceptable within a particular school's social environment? Your analysis suggests that many schools promote an identity ideal that in its "standardization" fails to recognize, and may even reject, a vast domain of fertile ways of being human.

This makes me wonder where our ideals of acceptable identities come from? On what imaginative resources do school's draw when conceiving of their ideal student? How much diversity of personality, interests, talents, etc. exists within that ideal? Do schools differ from each other in this respect? And if so, what explains why one school's ideal of success allows for more diverse ways of being a thriving student than another?

Finally, your analysis raises this question in my mind: why do some students and not others deal with their stress about not meeting a standardized ideal of success by bullying others?

Thank you again for your stimulating insights.



Just a thought but I keep saying society needs to be restructured so the environment is not such a perfect breeding ground for things like bullying..........but the idea usually gets rejected by others, maybe its because I am not sure how to restructure society yet and maybe it is impossible.


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26 Feb 2012, 1:39 pm

Thanks for your post, Sweetleaf. I'm wondering if you've given any thought to how school's might be restructured so as to diminish bullying, especially bullying of students with Asperger's and Autism? In what way(s) do others sometimes reject your thoughts?

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26 Feb 2012, 2:39 pm

mverde wrote:
Thanks for your post, Sweetleaf. I'm wondering if you've given any thought to how school's might be restructured so as to diminish bullying, especially bullying of students with Asperger's and Autism? In what way(s) do others sometimes reject your thoughts?

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Hmm well the thing is public school is just an extension of a bigger issue......I mean take the 'go to college, so you don't end up a loser working at (insert fast food place).' mentality. As though someone who is not college material and gets a more simple job is less worthy when those same people probably go to the drive through and order food. Not sure this is the best comparison but anyways, it seems the idea you have to strive to be better than others is encouraged even at an early age. I feel like that sort of thing contributes to bullying.

Another thing is the fact they are trying to make everyone fit a specific mold.......and those who fit the mold are praised by the teachers and school staff while those who are different are either ignored, put in special ed or singled out by teachers the other kids pick up on this and thus feel its justified to bully those individuals.

Does any of that make sense? I will probably try and explain more later.......but I can't hear myself think because at the moment where I am at there is music playing, one of the guys here is having a fit of insanity which involves loud singing, all kinds of very noticeable sudden movements and bouts of hysterical laughing and other sudden random noises...and of course a dog running around so yeah I will have to get back to this.


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27 Feb 2012, 12:39 am

I hear what you are saying, Sweetleaf--about school cultures reflecting the larger culture in which they exist; about how the insistence upon success as a zero-sum game leads, however indirectly, to a social structure and dynamic in which there must be "losers," and so creates them; and about needing a minimal measure of quietness to compose one's thoughts. I am sorry for the person you mentioned who is having an insanity fit.

Again, thank you for your post.



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27 Feb 2012, 12:46 am

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Kids need to learn that verbal bullying is something that can literally be laughed off. I think the problem for aspies is that we are already dealing with our differentness, which is usually seen as some sort of character flaw, and then when bullying happens it just reinforces all the self-doubt that's already there. We take it all too seriously because we are already struggling to fit in to a confusing NT world.

I see a couple of responders telling how they've successfully dealt with bullies, and I think the key factor is that they felt comfortable with their differentness and refused to "buy in" to the bullies taunts. That's what I propose as a solution - teach aspie kids to feel good about themselves and be confident in spite of their differentness, and the threat of verbal bullying just disappears.


I agreed with most of that...except some of this. From my experience it took a while for the bullying to really start effecting me...I remember being excited for first days of school as a small child only to slowly have every ounce of confidence I had destroyed. Also sure it would be helpful to teach kids to feel better about themselves and be confident in spite of differences...however the other side needs to be addressed as well.......verbal bullying needs to be discouraged, and there should be consequences for doing it.


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27 Feb 2012, 11:58 pm

Very well stated, Sweatleaf. The growth needs to move in two directions, from within ourselves but also from the direction of those who hurt others. That should be a fundamental commitment in any bullying arresting and prevention program.