Do you understand what an "alpha" male is?

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an alpha male as i understand it is the preferred impregnator in a closed pack of animals.
for example, in a pride of lion's, obviously the females are "receptive" to the strongest male because it means that the progeny is more likely to prevail in times of competition with other prides. males must show that they are the strongest by way of contest.

in a pride of lions, if there is a big beautiful young (and viable) male lion (who humans would choose as the most handsome), and an old grizzled war torn snaggletoothed lion, and they both get into a fight and the old war torn lion "boots the handsome one out of town", then the old war torn lion will be chosen as the boss by the females.

prevailing success of endeavor in the local environment is the supporting structure that family trees grow upon.

it is the same with every species from slime molds to gorillas and beyond.

since humans are essentially scantily haired apes dressed up in clothes, (and cloaked in a social web of behavioral constraint) they too are instinctively drawn to the likely hood of success and prosperity pertinent to what they ultimately desire which is permanence and security.

An aspergian could never be an alpha male, because normal people have a inherent inability to respect people with disabilities

I'd say I am an aspergian alpha male. I get asked out alot by good looking girls and one night stands sort of speak. But due to the solitude I prefer things don't develop in a relationship. But I guess looks and multiple talents dont make me an alpha then. So I sit corrected. Get it i sit corrected because I am sitting. Hurrrrrr

It's a stupid label that I absolutely HATE and its a label I attach to certain males I heavily dislike or find annoying. I hate the word and I also hate the idea that its what every male should strive to be if he wants to be "right". Its nice if you're confident and you get asked out by girls or you want that as a goal, but personally, I twitch when someone says "Oh I need to be more alpha." "Oh he's so alpha."


Its just a personal thing but its a term that to me is reserved for wild animals, that hunt, prey and take as they need at whatever selfish cost. Should it really be associated with a positive connotation in our modern society that embraces art,progressive thought, feminism etc? Sorry, I know this contributed nothing to this thread and I'm just ranting.

I just hate the term and how much I see it used on so many forums in topics where people struggle with dating.

They exist and there are women who go for them, you don't have to be that way to be successful. But, no-one loves a whiny f**k.

I think some people would consider me an Alpha (quite ironicly since I don't really care what the others do ^^), I seem to attract people who are a bit insecure and they take shelter under my unbelivable (not sarcasm) selfconfidence and my ability to get what I want. My "packs" tend to follow me around like lost puppies constantly nagging for my approval. I guess it helps that my confidence in myself is not entirely conjured from thin air. That's probably the "alpha part" when I lead, everyone seem to be tied to me, and not much to each other, even if they all agree, they won't talk amongst themselves, they instantly deflects the matter over to me.

Hmm... This might be why they never calls me afterwards, they wait for me to contact them... Hmm... I've got to explore this some day.

The concept of an "alpha male" in HUMAN society is a pop-psychological construct most typically utilized by people who don't have the slightest clue what an "alpha male" is as it applies non-human animals, and who are usually looking to justify their lack of romantic success with half-arsed notions of "Darwinism."

Fun facts:

1. In non-human primates, "beta males" get laid quite often.

2. Male chimpanzees are not strong enough to "horde" all of the females (and paternity tests confirm that they're rarely completely successful when they try).

3. Female primates generally only limit themselves to mating with "alphas" when the "alpha males" physically prevent them from mating with other males.

4. Some primates are dominated by males. Some primates are dominated by females. Some are egalitarian.

5. Humans have the most complex social system out of all the primates.

6. Animal behavior is determined by population size, environment, circumstances, ect. There is no set way in which all animals behave all of the time, and that includes mating preferences.

7. "Attraction" doesn't matter.

8. Scientists have tried coming up with an equation to determine precise levels of "attractiveness." They failed. There is no set standard of attractiveness for humans.

9. "Sperm-sampling" is good for females.

10. All animals are not direct analogues of all other animals. Different species have certain things in common, but each has their own evolutionary niche they fill. The mating habits of cows and hermit crabs are therefore not directly translatable to those of humans.

Conclusion: animal behavior, as well as human animal behavior, is a nuanced thing. There is no ideal male that women are hopelessly attracted to. Doesn't make sense from an evolutionary perspective, and it isn't reflected in nature. Oh, and I prefer to get my information from primatologists who have spent years in the field observing these animals, not whiny, butthurt bloggers and wanna-be "evolutionary psychologists."

If you want to know more about what an "alpha male" actually is, I suggest looking up the work of Frances De Waal.

It depends on the social group that you are in. What is an alpha male in one group could very well be an omega male in a different group.

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The people most folks consider "alpha" are mostly blow hards that throw their weight around, act hard with people who don't want any trouble, then piss themselves in a real confrontation.

Still, we're not as fluid as some of you think. Certain in-born traits universally make for better social status, and long term success.

I posted this in another thread, but...